those are real you can still mf and make better ones then that too but your gonna be slow without the ias boost its not the first time javs like that have poped up on useast

The entire argument is moot, since afaik the realms dont have a 40ias 450ed eth rep stygians.

However:

Where the ED is identical between stygians and Matri Javs, the Stygians win out IF they have enough base IAS to reach the required breakpoint.
For a High LVL HLD player, a pure-dex build will show a bigger difference alot more then at lower levels, simply because of the damage bonus granted due stygians being non-class specific.

I compared my Stygians to Brainpowers Matri's though, for MLD (lvl49). I originally thought mine were better, but I was actually wrong. There is an ED difference and frame rate difference, which results in the stygians needing IAS from shield to hit a required frame. So the stygians get ias from shield while the matri's have pure damage in shield, thereby granting enough additional damage to make them better. This resulted in the stygians having around 100 more damage then the matri's, but the matri's having around 700 more min damage (thereby surpassing the stygians in my eyes.)

For my purposes, I recreated my char identically as is on the realm and the screens below show my stygians and brainpower's matri's. notice the difference in min damage.

The important thing to realise here that this is a vita build and only lvl 49, and therefore the % damage increase from non-specific javs is not as great. also the %ED is lower on the stygians by 62% and the matri's are able to gain additional str/dex from not using ias in shield. All this just proves that non-class specific javs, provided the throw frame rates match, simply beat class specific javs in terms of damage, where the % ed is identical (and especially on a dex build). we all knew that already. ALso, yes +jav skills is pretty crappy, +skills is not though.

Finally, Gep's Stygians had close to the same ed as brainpower's matri's but the damage (inscreen) was about 4700, on a vita build @49. (win!)



This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 22 2010 02:22am

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Even then that is not always true because the matri javs actually have higher average base damage than the stygians. Stygian only takes the lead once the dex:strength ratio becomes sufficiently high.

best javs ever posted here. mass dmg, 30ias and 4 skills. omfg

OMG
> 6\40 ?

Its agreed that the Min Damage on Matri's is very good. I'll let Engel respond, if he wants to, in terms of HLD Vita builds with Stygians vs Matri's and HLD Dex builds with Stygians vs Matri's. HLD is not my area I have to admit, MLD is. However, from Engel's screen he has built that character around the principals of most HLD builds - have as much damage as possible to kill your opponent before he lands a hit on you.

I would have thought that my comment below was correct however, for the simple reason that you stat alot? of str / dex already to wear your gear.

Ferdia: Where the ED is identical between stygians and Matri Javs, the Stygians win out IF they have enough base IAS to reach the required breakpoint.
Killersdream: Even then that is not always true because the matri javs actually have higher average base damage than the stygians. Stygian only takes the lead once the dex:strength ratio becomes sufficiently high.

I guess a vita build with both sets of jav's would answer all arguments. Engel, can you mock up a char on single player to assist here?

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