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Quote (ReaperKing @ 9 Nov 2015 02:16)
This is my lvl 18 conc barb. All gear is near perfect with the exception of war axe needing 2 sockets.
Hits 11 fpa. Defense shown is while concing, I believe ~4200 defense just standing.
has an eth/rep +1 warcry tspear/sigon shield on swap. Jewels are legit and non-matching colors.

http://s9.postimg.org/fw5mwcoq7/Iron_Monger.jpg

Also has 2 x 6max/48ar/6str in stash to swap with 6max/48ar/20life to equip death set in place of sigon's gloves/belt for cbf.


one for the record books.
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Quote (attila @ 9 Nov 2015 08:23)
most items are not trophy but still rly nice char
8/10


LLD how does he withstand vs eth'd / %DR / chargdin
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Quote (Fateful @ Apr 9 2016 05:13am)
they do not need 4 perfect mods to beat a magic +20 in average damage

For average damage they do need to be perfect

Scarlet 1-4 Min
of Joyfulness 1-4 Min
Carbuncle 1-5 Max
of Wrath 6-9 Max

with perfect rolls that's 8-14 damage with an average of 11
with minimum rolls that's 2-7 damage with an average of 4.5

Quote (Fateful @ Apr 9 2016 04:53am)
TBH I would consider a 20ias flail and bloodfist to hit the same breakpoints while freeing up slot for rare shield+rare belt+ck boots(or 20life 10rep 1dex crafted boots) if your only purpose was to melee vs melee

No

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Quote (Marieusz @ Apr 14 2016 01:39am)
For average damage they do need to be perfect

Scarlet 1-4 Min
of Joyfulness 1-4 Min
Carbuncle 1-5 Max
of Wrath 6-9 Max

with perfect rolls that's 8-14 damage with an average of 11
with minimum rolls that's 2-7 damage with an average of 4.5


No


20 max is perfect so average of 0min to 20max is 10
7-14 isnt perfect and has better avg then 20max (10.5)
8-13 isnt perfect and has better avg then 20max (10.5)

10.5 > 10

If i were you I would refrain from trying to correct other people because you simply lack the necessary logic to do so.

No/10

This post was edited by Fateful on Apr 13 2016 08:13pm
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Quote (Fateful @ Apr 14 2016 08:49am)
20 max is perfect so average of 0min to 20max is 10
7-14 isnt perfect and has better avg then 20max (10.5)
8-13 isnt perfect and has better avg then 20max (10.5)

10.5 > 10


And let me know when ur opinion matters when it comes to builds

That's a fallacy because 10.5 can truncate to 10 which is why I said it, I'm not trying to skew it like you

don't get mad when someone corrects a post of yours, you always do it

Quote (Fateful @ Apr 14 2016 09:02am)
LOLLL, so in your mind the game always calculates your average damage every time you hit and truncates accordingly rather then generating a random number between and including your min and max AND THEN truncating just as the game was fucking designed?

Yes in d2 numbers are always rounded down and truncation does happen obv but certainly not in the same way as in your pea sized brain

No I didn't say that, it's not how the game calculates final damage, you're just going into retard mode because you were wrong with your post.

Quote (Fateful @ Apr 14 2016 09:06am)
You are a clown, you were basically saying the 1 extra min or max damage which ends up to a decimal average damage on the jewel will end up being irrelevant because of truncation, which is wrong in so many ways

At no point did I say that

Quote (Fateful @ Apr 14 2016 09:10am)
Ok

Correct. So we surmise that a 8-14 beats 20 for average damage in a Sigon's shield, other than that you cannot guarantee anything. But saying 'you don't need 4 perfect rolls to beat the average damage of a 20 maxer' is wrong because you cannot guarantee it. If you had said 'potentially' then it could have worked because of addition with other items and 2 of the aforementioned jewels if talking about other eq, but from what you said the same can be argued against which I have proven.

Quote (Fateful @ Apr 14 2016 09:25am)
Lol, you are the first limitless person I have seen, yes there is simply no limits to your stupidity.. On the other hand your limits are that you can't argue worth shit and you have the logic of a 5 year old at best.

I'm done wasting my time with you

Keep on editing bro

Goodbye, no retort because you know I am correct. Have a nice day.

This post was edited by Marieusz on Apr 13 2016 08:42pm
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Quote (Marieusz @ Apr 14 2016 02:13am)
That's a fallacy because 10.5 can truncate to 10 which is why I said it, I'm not trying to skew it like you

don't get mad when someone corrects a post of yours, you always do it


LOLLL, so in your mind the game always calculates your average damage every time you hit and truncates accordingly rather then generating a random number between and including your min and max AND THEN truncating just as the game was fucking designed?

Yes in d2 numbers are always rounded down and truncation does happen obv but certainly not in the same way as in your pea sized brain

even if that was true, the second I would equip a second such 10.5 avg jewel, your logic would then be flawed

This post was edited by Fateful on Apr 13 2016 08:18pm
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Quote (Marieusz @ Apr 14 2016 02:13am)
That's a fallacy because 10.5 can truncate to 10 which is why I said it, I'm not trying to skew it like you

don't get mad when someone corrects a post of yours, you always do it


No I didn't say that and that's not how the game calculates final damage, you're just going into retard mode because you were wrong with your post.


You are a clown, you were basically saying the 1 extra min or max damage which ends up to a decimal average damage on the jewel will end up being irrelevant because of truncation, which is wrong in so many ways
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Quote (Marieusz @ Apr 14 2016 02:13am)
At no point did I say that


Quote (Marieusz @ Apr 14 2016 02:13am)
That's a fallacy because 10.5 can truncate to 10 which is why I said it, I'm not trying to skew it like you

don't get mad when someone corrects a post of yours, you always do it


Ok
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Quote (Marieusz @ Apr 14 2016 02:13am)
That's a fallacy because 10.5 can truncate to 10 which is why I said it, I'm not trying to skew it like you

don't get mad when someone corrects a post of yours, you always do it


No I didn't say that, it's not how the game calculates final damage, you're just going into retard mode because you were wrong with your post.


At no point did I say that


Correct. So we surmise that a 8-14 beats 20 for average damage in a Sgion's shield, other than that you cannot guarantee anything. But saying 'you don't need 4 perfect rolls to beat the average damage of a 20 maxer' is wrong because you cannot guarantee it. If you had said 'potentially' then it could have worked because of addition with other items and 2 of the aforementioned jewels if talking about other eq, but from what you said the same can be argued against which I have proven.


Lol, you are the first limitless person I have seen, yes there is simply no limits to your stupidity.. On the other hand your limits are that you can't argue worth shit and you have the logic of a 5 year old at best.

I'm done wasting my time with you

Keep on editing bro, at this point I think your best bet is to edit everything out and claim that I've made up those quotes.

This post was edited by Fateful on Apr 13 2016 08:41pm
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Apr 15 2016 12:19am
that discussion is kinda useless anway. just compare prices and availability of 20max and 10.5 average dmg jewels :lol:
this being said, I would take 20max over 8-13 or 7-14 any day

ironmonger is still a 10 imo and nothing else
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