Show me pics to prove there's 20ish better zons out there. Should be easy to find if that's the case.

So HL vs Cats

HL gives +1 skill which in the skill tree is almost negligible.
+ a little hp if you bo (most of the time I don't since I like gm zvz)
you get ds but that is not additive to the crit chance, so it effectively adds maybe 4% probability.
+light res

Cats gives 30frw, that's 6x scs or 6x 3/20/20's that need to be swapped out. (120 life before bo)
25 dex, roughly 50life before bo
dex gives ar and block chance, easier to achieve
a little defense, just for fun.

So with cats I get more hp and some def, with HL I get some light res that I don't need when dueling vs melee. If I needed resist I would swap out.



I'm not saying all items are trophies. Some of them are hybrids and magics, the whole is still the most efficient variant possible.



It has it's advantages, but not all the time. Loving the hatred in every phrase, lol.


This post was edited by laztheripper on Oct 6 2014 01:24am

Inb4 gore rider's

To each his own I guess. Some people do the math, other people are the highlord's type. lol.

195 life (cats) vs 1skill / 9-10% effective double dmg chance / 35 lightres.

and this is being generous, as 6x 5frw charms are desynched frw. Cats eye is not. Also if you are full vita you dont want to calculate 25dex as 75 hp, as you already said. Thus its abit less than 195 hp some (you) should think.

This post was edited by SpAz. on Oct 6 2014 01:32am

Yeah, 195 all day. You're already sitting at near 3/4 chance to double dmg, that extra 9% is not worth going off for nothing. And while I don't feel like fetching my notepad with all my numbers in it, cat's does win against HL in most situations. Oh and 25dex is extra damage which I forgot to mention. Damage that has 100% efficiency.
I DO keep hl in stash for those situations where I may need it though.

Anyway, this is irrelevant. The point of putting this up is for people to rate the trophy pieces. Cats is not a trophy.
This build has proven it's worth on more than one occasion and I have done the math several times.
It comes down to preference.

If you don't understand my ring choice, which can be understood since it's not obvious, I can explain.


This post was edited by laztheripper on Oct 6 2014 01:42am

Then you are a fool. And a sheep.

This post was edited by SpAz. on Oct 6 2014 02:04am

Oh my, this guy is something else.

Sheep? lol, I came up with this myself. People have told me to do this or that but I've always preferred to do my own variants.

By that logic, why would you even keep HL in stash?

at this point i have to say that i dislike AvA at all, so i just kept on the points that are valid for non "gm AvA"
+ with your javelins i would rather go faith diamond bow along with your rare helm instead of 120/45
Anyway, both matris are very nice, 9,5/10 on 1st, 9/10 on 2nd
gloves are perfect
i have no idea why ppl use rare shields on amas except for style... the only shields i would consider using on a bowa/hybrid are stormshield and swordback
Seen better diadems at all (the 3 mr couldve been dex or strength + visio doesnt up much ar, as its bonus is been applied the same time as penetrate)
the ring misses one additional affix (prefered mana) and a different kind of res (fire > light > poison > cold imo)
+ i dont see much benefit in using those glaives when you got those matris

Yes, cat's is arguably still in 2014 the go-to-choice for the uninformed.

Do you always speak towards your counter part in a debate in third person as if theres an audience around the corner to come and cheer you and back you up, or is it only when you feel nervouse about your own logic you go "this guy is an idiot, eh guys?!".

I am most curious.

No use for rare helm in normal encounters. That circlet is for jab or multi.
GMB far better damage and since it's hyb I can still reach max bp.
Rare shield is for very specific duels, I swapped it for a ber's swordback 100%perf since it was more useful, more often.

I redid the math, again.
8.7% more total chance crit
dex is considered when statting amazon since HL is not something I use vs melee, I use vs casters and I don't need max block vs casters.
25dex is good damage, like, more damage than what 8.7% crit gives because of the already high crit chance and subsequent diminishing returns.
2k plague is negligible, to be good vs most you need 50k+
the 16k plague is for those ES sorcies with 700life, everything else will never die from such low poison.



Do you change subject very often when debating?