Quote (Scaly @ Mar 27 2018 04:23pm)
I can't see it. I think it's the conflation of Jews and Zionism/Israel by critics of the labour party and of Corbyn within the party that have lead to these charges.
But as I've said before - I'm willing to be proven wrong, I despise racism in all it's forms and if you can give me evidence of this 'widespread problem' then I'll happily join Labour/Corbyn critics in calling for action.
All I'm asking for is some examples of actual antisemitism from Labour MPs. I've asked several times now and you've refused, or been unable, to give any. You say I'm being deluded or tribalistic if I can;t see it - WELL FUCKING SHOW ME SOME.
Wait - why does it have to be antisemitism only from Labour MPs, as if the Labour party isn't also made up of councillors and members that may be antisemitic and are part of the problem I'm referring to? Either way, here's your evidence:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/27/naz-shah-timeline-of-events-leading-to-mps-suspension-from-labour - This shows the timeline of events in the suspension of Naz Shah MP from the labour party. 'The Jews are rallying.''Transport the Jews to America.' She was reinstated to the Labour party in July 2016.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/28/how-ken-livingstone-left-labour-in-turmoil-after-claiming-hitler/ - As you mentioned, this documents how the former mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, was suspended from the Labour Party due to comments about Hitler and support of Zionism.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/eight-dodgy-things-ken-livingstone-has-said-jews-hitler/ - Read what Ken Livingstone has said in the past and tell me this is just a one off and Ken was totally justified in his statements
https://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/oxford-university-labour-club-anti-semitism-report-baroness-royall-jewish-students-a7170446.html - This documents how the Oxford university Labour club were open discriminating against Jews even in their own party, largely down to conflating them as individuals with the actions of Israel. Every time Israel are involved in a breach of human rights, anti-semitic attacks increase in the following months. Do you think that's a coincidence? This is the conflation of Jews and Israel that I've been consistently referring to.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-regrets-calling-hamas-and-hezbollah-friends - Calling Hamas and Hezbollah friends doesn't bother me as a singular issue if its specifically done to promote peace talks. You have to talk with your enemies sometimes. It's the consistency of him being associated with these types of groups over the years that cannot just be dismissed as Jezza doing his usual campaigning for world peace:
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Corbyn supported the pro-Palestinian group Deir Yassin Remembered, founded by Holocaust denier Paul Eisen, and had attended one of the group's events. In 2012, Corbyn praised leader of the northern branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel Raed Salah who had been found guilty of using the antisemitic trope of the blood libel in a speech in 2007.
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At a meeting hosted by Stop the War Coalition in 2009, Corbyn said he invited "friends" from Hamas and Hezbollah to an event in parliament, referred to Hamas as "an organisation dedicated towards the good of the Palestinian people," and said that the British government's labelling of Hamas as a terrorist organisation is "a big, big historical mistake."
Do I think Jeremy Corbyn is an anti-semite? No, even though given the company he keeps and his failure to act on anti-semitism in the party suggests otherwise.
Also bear in mind, and this is a crucial point: I'm not saying that Labour members are more anti-semitic than Conservatives or any other party members in general, I'm saying that Labour hasn't done enough to tackle anti-semitism from the grassroots up and now those minority of people are having their bigoted views normalised while enjoying greater influence within the party, which is the main distinction from the Conservatives and other mainstream parties (excl UKIP).