every country should have that to protect its people

Sure, and it should be the states who decide, not the federal government. Surprised that I'm a state's rights kind of guy? You shouldn't be. Most Americans are. Almost all of us agree that the federal government should not intrude in our lives as a central, authoritarian figure. We don't want federal agents raiding dispensaries in California just like you don't want them kicking in your door to confiscate your guns. There are some issues where no entity, neither states not central governments, should be reserved those rights. Human chattel slavery for example. Anything that takes away from essential human liberty, in other words, cannot be seen as a natural right. But free association is important, and if state and local governments and private employers want to associate with immigrants, that is their natural right. It causes no harm to you whatsoever.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Mar 7 2018 05:41pm

Immigration would imply laws affecting people coming but not here yet.

No, it clearly says in the US Constitution that the States only get to decide about immigration, before 1808. After 1808, it the job of the Federal govt. to decide about immigration.

Mexican criminals don't have rights under the constitution.

Neither do undocumented immigrants from the Caribbean but they framed our Constitution.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Mar 7 2018 09:56pm

Democrats be like

"Illegal aliens aren't always criminals"

That's not what the founding fathers who wrote the Constitution have to say about the Migration or Importation Clause. It refers to forced migration and importation of slaves. You are misinterpreting the word itself, as it was used.

Chief Justice John Jay wrote an opinion on it:



James Madison, the person who wrote the clause, had this to say:



and this:



This concessionary clause to appease the slavers in the Southern States in order to gather enough votes to ratify our Constitution should not be perverted into authoritarian, anti-federalist propaganda or used in any way to cede the power of the many states to the federal government.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Mar 7 2018 10:45pm

you are still riding that "argument", nobody will kick doors in to confiscate guns when they are explicitly legal, illegal migrants however have committed a felony and have to leave
going after them is a core competence of any state, so stop comparing things have that have nothing to do with each other, stick to the facts of the current state of the law
your point will start to make sense once you change the constitution and ban the right to possess firearms

you might wanna try an actual argument that makes sense, even wannabe open border activists should be able to do better

aww cute the californians want to keep their slave class