always the same lazy narratives from the same dishonest hacks:

after mass shootings: 'let's ignore the issue at hand, we need guns to protect us from intruders' & 'gun control is pointless, shootings will always happen - criminals don't care about the law'
after oil spills: 'b-b-but we need oil to fuel our economies' & 'regulations are useless, spills with always happen'

pivot and strawman all you want, no one is contesting that our economies are still hugely reliant on fossil fuels - the point is that scaling back regulations for these immensely profitable companies makes these incidents MORE LIKELY and absolutely no sense. making sure to keep these companies happy and prosperous (because they donate so generously) is not only endangering our environment, it also slows the inevitable shift towards renewable energy sources (in case you haven't heard: fossil fuels will be running out soon).

again, it's not like those companies couldn't afford additional regulations (they were doing more than just fine under obama) without having to let thousands of workers go or being able to provide us with affordable energy. the reason why these spills keep happening all the time is not because we just couldn't for the life of us figure out how to build and maintain pipelines that are safer (in that case the lazy pivot regarding our dependency on oil, weighing the risks against the rewards, would be at least somewhat valid), it's because it's CHEAPER to pay the fine and the containment of spills that have to be reported (another regulation changed under trump made sure the fossil fuel industry doesn't have to report "minor spills") than to invest into better pipelines and additional maintenance personnel.

but hey, 'we need oil in our everyday lives so don't you dare criticise those poor companies and the bribed politicians (on all sides btw) doing their bidding'... hacks gonna hack...

..and then you proceed as a dishonest hack misrepresenting what people say and mocking strawmans you created while complaining about strawmans. surreal.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Nov 16 2017 10:36pm

Ok, I'll tell him.


Dude, we use oil to fuel our guns.

Guess what? TransCanada needs the pipeline to ship corrosive Canadian tar sands oil to the Texas coast, where it will be shipped overseas. Likely to China. All the United States gets is a leaky fucking pipe that we have to pay to clean up. We don't get any of the oil, and gas prices in the Midwest will actually go up because of it.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Nov 16 2017 10:56pm

I'm not sure it matters anymore. I don't understand why the Keystone line doesn't just go west to the coast.

Alberta doesn't want leaky TransCanada oil all over their wheat fields. So the company figured, "hey, Americans are really fucking stupid and the elect people who mess up the environment all the time. These morons will probably even think this will be their oil somehow."

you apparently not only fail to reflect on what you write here, you also manage to delude yourself into thinking other people can't read it or don't see what you're doing, huh? poor guy, your pathetic pivot is here for everyone to see in post #16 of this very thread...

now please tell me how you feel about me pointing that out. would it happen to make you a little... mad maybe?



that explains a lot, from vietnam to afghanistan...

seriously though, the main point here is:

scaling back regulations for the immensely profitable fossil fuel industry makes no economic sense and such incidents MORE LIKELY. doing it to keep them happy and prosperous (because they donate so generously) is not only endangering our environment, it also slows the inevitable shift towards renewable energy sources.
and it's not like those companies couldn't afford the additional regulations, they were doing more than just fine under obama. these spills keep happening not because we just haven't figure out how to build and maintain pipelines that are safer, but because it's CHEAPER for the fossil fuel industry to just pay the fine and the containment of such spills, than to invest into better pipelines and additional maintenance personnel.

feel free to address this point if you can...

The mid-level stages of TDS have a profound effect on the victim's vocabulary: Sufferers speak a distinctive language consisting solely of hyperbole.

In the advanced stages of the disease, the afflicted lose touch with reality. Opinion is unmoored from fact.


Seek medical help.

John Oliver will surely do a video on this.

says the guy who, despite multiple posts full of hackery and lazy pivots, strawmanning and ad hominems, has yet to address the issue at hand:

scaling back regulations for the immensely profitable fossil fuel industry makes no economic sense and such incidents MORE LIKELY. doing it to keep them happy and prosperous (because they donate so generously) is not only endangering our environment, it also slows the inevitable shift towards renewable energy sources.
and it's not like those companies couldn't afford the additional regulations, they were doing more than just fine under obama. these spills keep happening not because we just haven't figure out how to build and maintain pipelines that are safer, but because it's CHEAPER for the fossil fuel industry to just pay the fine and the containment of such spills, than to invest into better pipelines and additional maintenance personnel.

feel free to make a topic related post if you're not too triggered for that, mate.