Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 5 2017 01:44pm)

Are you blind? I'm literally an anarchist who has tens of thousands of posts opposing big government. pretending this is the one thing i oppose is obviously invalid.

Having an ideological opposition to gun control does not mean there is no good reason behind it.
The government stealing from us to fund studies to look for more reasons for gun control is particularly objectionable.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 5 2017 01:44pm)

Basically follow in Australia's footsteps.

Semi and fully automatic weapons are banned also. I always run across two gun nut types, the "I need guns to hunt" and "I need guns to fight against that government whose ass I'm constantly licking"..neither needs a weapon like that.

And to the people that say well if you ban it, that just means only criminals will have them and it'll still be the same..okay, let's just not have any laws at all since they won't work.

Quote (Xandriia @ Oct 5 2017 01:47pm)

Quote (Magicman657 @ Oct 5 2017 01:51pm)

You keep saying that with the assumption that any study that's done is absolutely, 100% going to be used to further gun control, and I keep telling you that you can't possibly know the outcome of such a study before it's actually done. If the government was so hell bent on just banning guns, why the fuck would they bother doing studies in the first fucking place?

Sorry, but I am not a zealous ideologue like you and nothing you've said is a legitimate argument against funding research to help us make informed decisions on public policy. I majored in science and I work with data every day. As someone who believes in logic and reason above all else, I value information and I make decisions based on data whenever possible. That's literally the most unbiased possible way to make a decision, and anyone who opposes a fact based approach to decision making can go fuck themselves.

Quote (NatureNames @ Oct 5 2017 01:53pm)

Lets assume we are talking about the US here.

Some of the ideas in this topic first need to tackle the constitutionality of their proposal. For a lot of that stuff to become law the constitution would first need to be altered, which is quite hard.

Just one example is the people talking about having have people's medical information searched or putting tracking devices in guns. The Fourth Amendment prevents that from happening:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

This means no searches, tracking, wiretapping, or surveillance without probable cause to believe that a crime as been committed.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 5 2017 01:56pm)

you are on some daft crusade against 'ideology'. examine your own shit. i dont have time for it.

Quote (DCSS @ Oct 5 2017 10:57am)

Phones have tracking devices and they don't get flak from the fourth amendment. People are consenting to a tracking device when they buy the thing, it's no more a violation of the fourth amendment than all the smart tv's that openly spy on you because you agreed to it.

Also windows 10