I want to start off by saying that I love guns, I own guns just so you dont get any stupid ideas on my motives here. I am 100% for very strong regulation on guns. It is possible for someone to love guns and own them and still want regulation.

First and foremost, all modifications to a gun to allow for automatic fire should be outright illegal. Bump stocks should be banned along with ANY modification to mimic automatic fire other than someone with a really fast trigger finger.

Tier system

Tier 1 - Regular citizen gun ownership

Limit on the amount of guns one household can have, 10 perhaps? Needs discussion.
All firearms must be registered
The users owners of said firearms are licensed to own and operate them (Just like with a drivers licence.
Any occupant over a certain age must have a certification of safety. Thinking 8 + not sure just yet. Needs discussion.
Owners will be subject to renewal of said license just like with a drivers license. Perhaps not as often, needs discussion.
Licensing is contingent on mental health status as well. If you are considered to be mentally unstable you are not allowed ownership of firearms.

Tier 2 - Regular citizen gun ownership - allowed more firearms - all other regs are the same

Limit on the amount of guns one household can have, 15 perhaps? Needs discussion.
All firearms must be registered
The users owners of said firearms are licensed to own and operate them (Just like with a drivers licence.
Any occupant over a certain age must have a certification of safety. Thinking 8 + not sure just yet. Needs discussion.
Owners will be subject to renewal of said license just like with a drivers license. Perhaps not as often, needs discussion.
Licensing is contingent on mental health status as well. If you are considered to be mentally unstable you are not allowed ownership of firearms.

And it will go on from here to sellers, law enforcement and military etc.

I just pulled this out of my ass, it wasnt to hard. We need more regulation and better enforcement of it along with the laws already on the books. This should be federally mandated, the states cannot be trusted to do their own thing with something like this because people cannot be trusted to do what is best for others rather than themselves. i.e. politicians pandering to their base. Case in point, a politician who is anti abortion on the books and then tries to get his whore to abort their unborn child. We need checks and balances here, its common sense. When the founding fathers said we should all have guns the times were different, you cannot equate a fucking musket to todays weaponry... I highly doubt they would have wanted anyone to be able to do whatever they wanted because of freedom herp derp, murka. Get over yourself and think of the goal here that being a safe and healthy community united as one, stronger than ever and truly united unlike what we have now which is completely divided.

This might not be the best idea but at least its something and i am whiling to talk about it without freaking out do to ego.

This post was edited by Brian_D on Oct 5 2017 12:18pm

Guess if I want 600 pounds of explosives and an unmarked van its perfectly fine for me to have it simply because I want it.

This is the equivalent of selling an attachment for a chlorine jug that turns it into a mustard gas sprayer. This bump stock only serves to turn an otherwise legal item into something very illegal and potentially deadly to large numbers of people. Like I said, I'm amazed it was allowed.

being ideologically opposed to something does not mean they are uninterested in facts or dont care about solutions. its ad hom bullshit. nor does it mean there arent good reasons for opposing a policy that led them to that position in the first place. get a better argument.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Oct 5 2017 12:21pm

It's totally legal for these companies to spy on us because we agree to their terms when using their products and services. The Forth Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights does not apply to them.

Creating laws, which is essentially what gun control is doing, must be subjected to the US Constitution.

This post was edited by NatureNames on Oct 5 2017 12:37pm

1, I called you a zealous ideologue, which is different than just being ideologically opposed to something. I know that's kinda nuanced though and you've made it abundantly clear in basically every post you make in PARD that you don't know anything about nuance. 2, You have absolutely no fucking argument against funding scientific research on gun violence and despite this you cannot help but oppose it purely because you're afraid it might make your position look bad.



I think this point could be argued, but again, this probably isn't the place to have that conversation.

This post was edited by Magicman657 on Oct 5 2017 12:27pm

This is the equivalent of a bump stock:



Can you stop people from converting semi-automatics into fully automatics if it all it takes is a couple loops and a shoelace?

I think they just call that a sprayer, you can spray any chemical you want. The bumpstock doesn't turn something legal into something illegal, because they aren't illegal. It merely (and poorly) imitates fully automatic, which neither fully auto or bumpstocks are common in gun crime, nor mass shootings. This guy killed and injured so many because he shot fish in a barrel without challenge because of the plan he carried out. A bumpstock is horribly inaccurate, they're not new.

they were allowed some time ago

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/bump-stock-device-received-atf-green-light-during-obama-administration
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/gun-bump-stocks-rapid-fire-are-legal-senators-ask-why-n807266
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/05/nra-calls-for-federal-review-of-whether-bump-fire-stocks-comply-with-current-law-243500