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Sep 15 2017 07:16pm
Quote (majorblood @ Sep 15 2017 08:09pm)
i'd say it gets repeated because it feels good?


Republicans aren't the only ones who cling to silly bumper sticker lines.
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Quote (excellence @ 16 Sep 2017 02:11)
do you think its more likely the 'uneducated' voters decided to switch from voting Democrat to Republican in 2016 in those states or the 'educated' ones? or was it something else?


I dunno, didnt research it yet, it kinda depends if you find a university campus to be "liberal".
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Quote (Knaapie @ Sep 15 2017 09:30pm)
I dunno, didnt research it yet, it kinda depends if you find a university campus to be "liberal".


90%+ professors are liberal.
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Sep 15 2017 08:37pm
Quote (majorblood @ Sep 15 2017 07:38pm)
not true overall (I can agree that you can say people who attend college are more likely on average to vote democrat) and the are plenty of low educated or low IQ people that vote democrat and plenty of highly educated and high IQ people that vote republican.


Of course, but there's a statistical correlation. I certainly was not suggesting that no educated or intelligent people vote Republican. I know dozens, maybe hundreds, of extremely intelligent conservatives personally.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 15 2017 08:33pm)
Sitting in a liberal college for 10 years =/= educated


Typically, yes. People who go to college are by-and-large more educated (probably causally) and more intelligent (probably causally in the other direction or both directions, intelligent ppl are more likely to seek higher education).

Quote (excellence @ Sep 15 2017 08:35pm)
why did 'educated people' in 6 states vote for Obama twice (2008, 2012) and for Trump in 2016 then?


Of course it's not true in literally every case.

In general, education and intelligence correlate with political liberalism.

Quote (IceMage @ Sep 15 2017 08:38pm)
I don't know why this talking point is brought up so much. Looking at pew research, college graduates backed Clinton over Trump at a 9 point margin. 52% vs 43%. Whites with a college degree? 49% to 45% in favor of Trump. Can we stop with the nonsense? Trump got plenty of votes from educated voters. My family is full of people with college degrees who voted for Trump.


Your numbers support my claim.

Obviously I didn't mean literally no educated person in the history of the world votes Republican.

But amount of higher education strongly correlates with political liberalism. As of 2015 Democrats have a 49%-42% lead over Republicans among those with college degrees. This rises to a staggering 57%-35% among those with post-graduate degrees.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 16 2017 12:49am)
Wrong. To some people like me those things are very important. Being in a setting that's constantly berating your ideals is not the most comfortable thing.



Sociology, Criminal Justice, Economics, Poli Sci, Philosophy, essentially any humanities courses i'v taken had a subliminally left bias. Even in my calculus class i recall the professor and Bernie bro openly attacking Trump, mid class.



My concern is that a college graduate like yourself is dumb enough to make some overarching claim without understanding the causes. Next time maybe try a little critical thinking? Maybe it's not about conservatives being against formal education? Maybe it's because those institutions try to put some ideals above others?

I'm on my second degree now, i'm more grounded in what i believe more than ever, but in many classes left-leaning ideas are presented as fact, while conservative ideals are punchlines.


The truth has a liberal bias, it is unfortunate, but hell all the things conservatives claim as fact like "trickle down" are known to be bullshit.
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Sep 15 2017 09:10pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Sep 15 2017 06:46pm)
The truth has a liberal bias, it is unfortunate, but hell all the things conservatives claim as fact like "trickle down" are known to be bullshit.


credibility?
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Sep 15 2017 09:11pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 15 Sep 2017 22:46)
The truth has a liberal bias, it is unfortunate, but hell all the things conservatives claim as fact like "trickle down" are known to be bullshit.


if the the truth is the truth and it doesn't change and is interpreted as such, one would argue humanity would conserve the meaning of rhe truth as it is rather than change it.

Quote (Voyaging @ 15 Sep 2017 19:31)
Because educated people don't vote Republican.


Quote (Voyaging @ 15 Sep 2017 22:37)
Of course, but there's a statistical correlation. I certainly was not suggesting that no educated or intelligent people vote Republican. I know dozens, maybe hundreds, of extremely intelligent conservatives personally.



Typically, yes. People who go to college are by-and-large more educated (probably causally) and more intelligent (probably causally in the other direction or both directions, intelligent ppl are more likely to seek higher education).



Of course it's not true in literally every case.

In general, education and intelligence correlate with political liberalism.



Your numbers support my claim.

Obviously I didn't mean literally no educated person in the history of the world votes Republican.

But amount of higher education strongly correlates with political liberalism. As of 2015 Democrats have a 49%-42% lead over Republicans among those with college degrees. This rises to a staggering 57%-35% among those with post-graduate degrees.


on one hand you said educated people don't vote for Republicans outright. now here you're saying they do.

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if the the truth is the truth and it doesn't change and is interpreted as such, one would argue humanity would conserve the meaning of rhe truth as it is rather than change it.





on one hand you said educated people don't vote for Republicans outright. now here you're saying they do.


Because the rational interpretation of my post is that I thought literally zero educated people have ever voted Republican.
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Sep 15 2017 09:58pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Sep 15 2017 10:52pm)
Because the rational interpretation of my post is that I thought literally zero educated people have ever voted Republican.


Its just black and white thinking aka splitting.

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Quote (Voyaging @ 15 Sep 2017 23:52)
Because the rational interpretation of my post is that I thought literally zero educated people have ever voted Republican.

is it not up to the one who postulates a point to effectively persuade the viewer/audience of their point rather than leave it up hope they interpret it exactly the way that was desired?

for instance, this is not a very persuasive argument

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