Very legitimate points and the game should be more stimulating for new players, even an in-game tutorial would be nice! A lot of people don't ever figure out how to use the marketplace or what abilities to use etc.

You did a group climb with partyplanner and his wives. They use very mediocre gear and you can see that they do just fine. This is a d2jsp.org website game so it only make sense that you have to spend forum gold to get the items you want. You took 2-3 days to get to lvl 25 because you didn't use the marketplace to buy enhanced effect weapons.

Take Poe for example. A physical damage melee build NEEDS enhanced effect on the weapons. If you're casting you go with other stats just like on ladder slasher.

The game offers the marketplace as the way to get going on a budget.

When a solo player gets carried with no gear he gets discouraged. You depend on getting carried and not finding your own gear and the game becomes boring fast.

Lesson: DON'T CARRY NEW PLAYERS for cheap gps. HELP NEW PLAYERS ACQUIRE GEAR AND LET THEM ENJOY being able to 4 shot a monster instead of 10 shot. The satisfaction comes from the gear upgrades not necessarily the masterquest.

This even me , I am newest generation of player and slowly i got my stuff ....
The key is determination and hard work like in other games

people have done sc climbs in 38minutes , there is quicker teams then partypoopers
We do 3 man hc climbs in 60-70 minutes .. i do solo climbs 3h - 4 in hardcore on most classes . it took me around 10 years to get to this point. (big fishes, good glyphs, suffusing comfreys , transmuting items to lvl 55. ..) You complain after a week ?
for gear you should make a topic in the forum. Only using the marketplace isnt that smart.
the proficiences are fine exactly the way they are. Work for it and earn them.


My guess you are more happy in Poe , thats more newbie freindly

Just for info : we all started this game at some point and worked our way up. At a time where there was no abilities and also no gear on marketplace. it needed to be found first .

my 2 cents

This post was edited by sp_patl on Aug 30 2017 12:32pm

Amen sir

For starters, the main point I'm seeing is that LS is a "hard" game. It is literally the easiest game to play. you simply point and click. there's no dodging or even 3d motion to avoid spells. For better or worse, you can master this game within a week.

All you need is good gear. Period. Then you walk into cata, and point and click. There's hardly anything beyond that. Not that I'm saying Path of exile or d2 are better, but even if you have decent gear, while the game gets considerably easier, you still have challenges in making sure you don't die. Game skill (basics like dodging and moving) is still a part of it.

Path of exile is not "more newb friendly", it's more noob effective, meaning they guide you into the game as any game that wants new players should, same with diablo, but at the same time, contain immense depth. With LS, There's no introduction whatsoever.



From the responses, a lot of old school players feel I'm insulting their game and the time they've invested into this. For starters, I'm not insulting anything (or at least trying not to). I'm merely commenting on the issues I've run into. If you want to take that as insults/complaints, do so, but know that was not my intention, I'm just trying to offer reasons as to why this game hasn't taken off, beyond the graphics.

I ask that everyone here try to remain objective and view the game in the eyes of a POTENTIAL new player.



Responses listed below (that I feel are even worth a response):


1) Gear is the only thing that matters in LS.
5) EE is the only thing that matters in doing damage. With diablo, you have a lot of other stats that matter and the item system with runewords opens up a lot of interesting situations. Path of exile is even more interesting. Item values fluctuate depending on whether an item has a single property most of the time (like voltaxic and the lightning conversion) and then you have links and colors and a huge variety beyond that.



I don't think a reset is ever an effective way to handle these situations. It basically makes the years of hard work for other players worthless. That's a form of communism I could never support. You should be able to reap the rewards you worked for.




1) please read above in my statement about how easy it is compared ot other games. Effort is necessary, skill is not. The game is too basic to even have a quantitative "best" player. There is a extremely limited amount of information to learn and master.
3) MQ is a game of luck. Could you imagine if D2 ended in a5 being a shell game where you simply had to guess correctly 3, 4, 5, 6 times in a row to unlock the highest achievement. imagine baal is standing there waiting for you and a new menu dialougue pops up and asks you to pick a number 1-5. If you guess correctly, you guess again, and then again, and then again, and only when you answer the correct number 5 times in a row can you move onto hell mode.
4) not saying profs should be done in 3 days but there should be a least an indication of improvement for new players. I see 0/1000 and I immediately stop. It wouldn't even affect you because anyone who has built up a certain level would simply have that experience added on and you would move up in a proportional amount.

I'm not saying a bit of struggle shouldn't be part of any game. I'm saying that before I can even enjoy the fruits of my labor, there is zero motivation to advance considering how basic some of these challenges are. They're simply point and click challenges with the completion goal turned up way too high for new players like myself to even bother with.




I 100% disagree with this. I was already on the way out due to how simplistic this game was before partyplanner msg'd me. The game itself does not encourage further play. If anything, by helping me, he made me want to play further. And as a reward for his kindness, I'm more than happy to give any GPs that I earn to his guild. That's such a minimal part of my enjoyment. And it seems such a petty thing to argue with someone for.

This post was edited by IReadPoe on Aug 30 2017 04:31pm

There is a saying -- attributed to a wise old individual, that goes something like this:

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen

for some reason its cruel Dad but its true ... if you dont wanna slash dont if you wanna let me know

I'd say I'd be okay losing all my gear to a reset. The time I spent skilling my muter.... losing that would hurt..

Has nothing to do with the rigours of the game. Seems like both of you are misunderstanding. this is the last time I'm going to respond to posts like this:

I am simply giving perspective of what it's like as a new player trying to come and become part of the LS community. But the game itself has serious flaws that prevent people like me, people who are trying to find a new game to play, from continuing and having fun.




That wouldn't be fair to everyone who put in those years for the gear. All gear should be left the same. But new gear could be made with proper stats and buffs to some of the other lesser known stats to make them useful.

Constructive criticism noted. This won't change much, take it from a person that does not play the game the way everyone else does.

From level 1-15 you can basically use TierIII Armor / Main Charm with +200 max life and a basic 30% ee weapon.
Use Maps when Events increase the odds of getting gear within their Level cap, mostly 5 levels below cap for Level 1 (lvl10) to Level 10 (lvl20) maps.
Stat your character accordingly to surviving better so you do NOT lose profs when dying [softcore].
Re roll character if you find it harder to level up and don't have gear or people to carry you further.

Basically I solo 100% of the time since Heal Mastery got nerfed, I also use crap gear in some cases. My samurai's MQ items are:

Level 35 Longsword with 13x ee
Level 40 Armor with 47 strength
Level 55 Earth with +12 Crit Strike / +11 Life Steal [Life steal doesn't really work like it should]
Level 35 Focus with 100% ee

As you can see, 2 items are great, the rest are just junk, and they are NOT level 55 gear worthy. You only need to get 1 or 2 items to help you along the way.
So, start with cheap +max life gear from 1-25 ideally Tier equal level and from there, EE / Stat items, shit if you have int gear, you can still mq with a barb.

End of the story: Find a way around to play the game if you want to continue, otherwise don't play at all.