I've yet to see any model in which healthcare isn't paid for somehow.

YOU paying for it. Not someone else paying for you.

Everyone is already paying for it with absurd hospital bills but you're just hurrr durrring as usual. He got you with his poorly elaborated comparison, you gobbled it right up.

I could make a Christian argument but I know you favor a more selfish Christianity.

I could make a more economic one as nobrow did but you're too set in your ways to really bother with on literally every issue.

Reactionary as usual though, I wasnt making the argument that it is a right at all. I was simply stating that Obamacare sets the stage in terms of health care being a right to facilitate a single payer system more easily, and said it isn't close enough in terms of specifics to act as a pivot point to a single payer system with ease. In other words Obamacare isn't a single payer system-lite.

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If they would write a bipartisan compromise they could get something passed.

How about a national system for everyone under the age of 18 (or 26 or somewhere between those ages) who isn't covered by a parent's or own employer plan, nationalized coverage for pregnant women, add some family leave in there, federal takeover of Medicaid to streamline it, then add in some goodies like being able to purchase any insurance across state lines to drive competition, bump age benefits to 67... I don't know, there are good ideas on both sides. Just take the best ideas and combine them as best as possible.

Or just commit to saving the country lots of money and do a Medicare for All bill while allowing a competing private sector to still exist with the whole state lines thing included for people who want "cadillac" plans above and beyond MFA. It's fiscally conservative. It's also socialist. Makes perfect sense to me as a bipartisan reform.

anyone else remember the debate where trump just repeated the bold over and over while calling the problem easy?

I agree on all your bipartisan suggestions though

Democrats won't allow the mandate to be repealed because it would collapse the socialism half of the system.

yep now he's President

this idea of "national healthcare and ppl can buy better" sounds nice but the more expensive better will become a "right" in no time flat, probably due to some wacked out "separate but equal" bastardized ruling

The good side of TrumpCare:

http://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/pre-existing-conditions-and-medical-underwriting-in-the-individual-insurance-market-prior-to-the-aca/