Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 22 2016 10:13am)

I vaguely remembered it from the Ferguson or Baltimore thread, which ever it was originally made in, and it just fit perfect into Duff's question lol

I shudder to think of the bodycount if business owners exercised their legal right to shoot looters tho...

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 22 2016 11:54am)

I doubt the body count would be that high. Something called deterrence would eventually settle in and the idiots would realize that stealing a few hundred dollars worth of stuff isn't worth losing your life for. I wonder why places like Singapore and more recently the Philippines have plummeting crime rates? I wonder if increasing the cost of criminality is having some effect?

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 22 2016 11:01am)

The largest shooting we have on record was in Orlando this year and was a national tragedy, a group of 3-5 store owners firing indiscriminately into a crowd could produce just as many bodies in short order.

Ahh yes, deterrence, and if you feel the cost needed to make it work as crime prevention is not morally repugnant its because you are yourself morally bankrupt.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 22 2016 12:44pm)

Eh, i disagree. Let's say hypothetically you're in highschool in Charlotte. You get let out of class at 3:30 and start hearing that a large amount of people are headed down town to see the protests. It quickly becomes a large mob of people walking around with a few fringe idiots smashing windows or looting, then a few monkey see monkey do types take up the looting and before you know it a mass of people who aren't looting are in the crossfire and dead. That post i made earlier outlined that in the hysteria of 92 some koreans were seen firing into crowds at random to attempt to disperse the mobs, that's what it invariably leads to as well as unintended crossfire. In any protest mob there are a large number who aren't looting or damaging anything, look up any video and you'll see there are 5 guys smashing a car and 30 guys encircling it. Looting follows that same relationship to a point.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 22 2016 12:04pm)

You're being dramatic at this point. We're not talking about spraying bullets into random crowds. I'm talking about a store owner firing at someone that is trying to break in. I doubt after the first guy drops that anyone else is going to be to eager too loot that place. Hell, even warning shots would be enough to get purps to scatter.

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One of the most iconic and controversial television images of the violence was a scene of two Korean merchants firing pistols repeatedly at roving looters. The New York Times said "that the image seemed to speak of race war, and of vigilantes taking the law into their own hands."[79] The merchants, jewelry store and gun shop owner Richard Park and his gun store manager, David Joo, were reacting to the shooting of Mr. Park's wife and her sister by looters who converged on the shopping center where the shops were located.[79]

Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 22 2016 12:08pm)

The impending danger warrants the force. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do but it's certainly necessary when your livelihood is threatened.

If you were in a car with the 5 guys smashing it and 30 guys encircling it would you not slam on the gas and get out of there regardless of how many people you run over?

Mind you I don't advocate spraying bullets into crowds but I fully support gunning down anyone that tries to break in.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 22 2016 09:47am)

Didn't you know the victim was just a boy of 16 years picking up his child from school with his own school textbook in hand. Wait, we can't make the young perp angle work with the concerned father angle without making him look like he was a dad at 11....

The desire for all of the facts up front is what drives the hysteria, its our own fault for making social media such a 2010+ success. The biggest rise in wealth happened from a guy creating an website to instantly update everyone about everything, this is the bad consequence of that mentality. Anyone who trusts the media doesn't realize they'll lie out their ass as they have the Trump card of "early information came in that was later invalidated" as people gear up for a riot based on that info. We need to get out in front of the issue and make it mandatory for police departments to release pertinent information such as presence of a weapon as soon as is humanly possible. Social media is the tool thats both killing and could potentially save police-community relations, but utter transparency is needed in some situations.

Quote (Shadowoffury @ Sep 22 2016 12:11pm)

The only way to save police-community relations is to make it a significantly more difficult job to get and significantly easier to lose, and to pay them more. Right now it's just not realistic to expect intelligent people to become police officers unless they're born into policing families.

I have a few friends who are police officers who only became cops because they failed to become what they really wanted to be, and I have friends who wanted to be police for their entire lives but then found out that they were smart enough, or skilled enough, or well enough connected to get much better jobs.

Quote (Shadowoffury @ Sep 22 2016 11:11am)

The only way to save police-community relations is to make it a significantly more difficult job to get and significantly easier to lose, and to pay them more. Right now it's just not realistic to expect intelligent people to become police officers unless they're born into policing families.

I have a few friends who are police officers who only became cops because they failed to become what they really wanted to be, and I have friends who wanted to be police for their entire lives but then found out that they were smart enough, or skilled enough, or well enough connected to get much better jobs.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 22 2016 12:17pm)

Don't know what part of the country you live in but where I live this doesn't hold true. Many cops are college educated. The most recent police test I took there were 2200 people taking it, many like me, had bachelors degrees. Unfortunately, they took out the 60 credit hour requirement because they couldn't get the demographics they were looking for. So here I am a university graduate, being told, sorry we don't want you, we'd rather have a black guy with a highschool diploma so we have potentially better community relations. At this point many police departments are moving away from the thought process that a better educated police officer is the best option.

Quote (Beowulf @ Sep 22 2016 01:48pm)

I don't think the op gets paid to do anything