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Jul 21 2016 06:55am
Quote (fender @ Jul 21 2016 08:43am)
google "trespassing" and "accusing" please...

No you.
You're completely daft if you don't think the implication was there. That was her point.
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tfw you are British and have no concept of what freedom of speech means, and delusionally think a trespasser accusing people of racism and hate is a message of peace and unity and try to bash the GOP about it.


Are you saying she snuck in? Or just making that up?

She didn't have a sign that said Republicans are anything. They seen a message of peace and got triggered. I love seeing a bunch chase around and try to bully a little woman like that, another metaphor appropriate here.

The GOP is a degenerate party with regressive values of exclusion and distrusting neighbors.

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Are you saying she snuck in? Or just making that up?

She didn't have a sign that said Republicans are anything. They seen a message of peace and got triggered. I love seeing a bunch chase around and try to bully a little woman like that, another metaphor appropriate here.

The GOP is a degenerate party with regressive values of exclusion and distrusting neighbors.


Protesters very clearly were not welcome inside.

Yeah it was all peace and love and they just got triggered by her totally innocent message :rolleyes:

Your tactics are despicable.
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Jul 21 2016 07:29am
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No you.
You're completely daft if you don't think the implication was there. That was her point.


oh so you know her? you are completely daft if you think this "implication" (nice how you avoided "accusation" all of a sudden, did you google it after all?) was worse than the reaction of the crowd.
also, explain to me how she was "trespassing"...
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Jul 21 2016 07:40am
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Protesters very clearly were not welcome inside.

Yeah it was all peace and love and they just got triggered by her totally innocent message :rolleyes:

Your tactics are despicable.


My tactics are despicable?

And protesters weren't welcome inside? What about all the people who voted for Ted Cruz and Kasich against party rules and were loud about it. That was way more protest and actually against he rules, than a woman buying a ticket and holding a sign inside.

I just loved all those alpha males chasing her around, trying to steal her flag, and assaulting her person.

It sucks you think that behavior is okay. A poor old woman lawfully holding a sign at a place she is allowed is aggressed by individuals violating the NAP against her. How the mighty have fallen.
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Jul 21 2016 07:51am
I'm happy to support any silent protester up until the second he/she is asked to leave by security. I'm also open to scrutiny for organizers who ask someone to be expelled. What I don't support is untoward aggression by the rest of the peanut gallery before the security gets involved, or any aggression at all even after the security gets involved. Situations like this wouldn't even be news worthy if security had a better presence and ability to act, but they always stuff 200 people for every rent a cop into these venues and it becomes a veritable nightmare. As someone who has worked security at large events, mainly UW Madison basketball and football games, I can tell you these situations suck balls. Many people buzzed up from a few brews in the parking lot and think it funny to get all riled up at an event with this much hoopla. I'll say, if this is the worse indecent at the inside of the convention security has done a good job.
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Jul 21 2016 08:09am
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I'm happy to support any silent protester up until the second he/she is asked to leave by security. I'm also open to scrutiny for organizers who ask someone to be expelled. What I don't support is untoward aggression by the rest of the peanut gallery before the security gets involved, or any aggression at all even after the security gets involved. Situations like this wouldn't even be news worthy if security had a better presence and ability to act, but they always stuff 200 people for every rent a cop into these venues and it becomes a veritable nightmare. As someone who has worked security at large events, mainly UW Madison basketball and football games, I can tell you these situations suck balls. Many people buzzed up from a few brews in the parking lot and think it funny to get all riled up at an event with this much hoopla. I'll say, if this is the worse indecent at the inside of the convention security has done a good job.


Those people reaching for her and trying to take her things and overpower her are the same people who used to just lynch people in the 1950s and 1960s. It is too bad they don't take well enough care of themselves to actually catch and overpower the spry little lady :lol:
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Those people reaching for her and trying to take her things and overpower her are the same people who used to just lynch people in the 1950s and 1960s. It is too bad they don't take well enough care of themselves to actually catch and overpower the spry little lady :lol:


I saw a clash between BLM and some counter protesters outside the RNC. And one point a woman was just shouting obscenities and random insults akin to "go back to africa" at the crowd of BLM. In sweatpants and a shitty walmart graphic tee, with a 3 year old daughter on her hip. And thought to myself, "gosh we wonder why hate like this permeates from generation to generation, this is it in real time."
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I saw a clash between BLM and some counter protesters outside the RNC. And one point a woman was just shouting obscenities and random insults akin to "go back to africa" at the crowd of BLM. In sweatpants and a shitty walmart graphic tee, with a 3 year old daughter on her hip. And thought to myself, "gosh we wonder why hate like this permeates from generation to generation, this is it in real time."


Yeah it sucks...it goes both ways too. There is a lot of irrational hate on both sides based on dark age prejudices or silly phenotypes like who has a widows peak and who is tan.

The way forward definitely isn't clear. Trump is a symptom of something really bad festering here, that his racial politics has such a thriving market is certainly a bad thing culturally speaking. The alternative is a competent and effective administrator, but also business as usual in Washington which people aren't real thrilled about.

But racial hate and the idea that people different from you are inferior or bad is learned behavior, and she is teaching that three year old that through her actions and lessons. And again it isn't just the whites doing it, because I'll say hello you young black people when passing them on the street sometimes and they just look at me like I'm Satan and they're learning that somewhere.

And this isn't benign racism that kind of brings people together in quirky ways, like racial jokes or stereotypes we all give each other shit about....there is clearly a dynamic where some people are preaching that other types of people are inherently evil. No longer is it about the content of character, if it ever was, to a lot of people.

These are scary times.
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Jul 21 2016 08:44am
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Yeah it sucks...it goes both ways too. There is a lot of irrational hate on both sides based on dark age prejudices or silly phenotypes like who has a widows peak and who is tan.

The way forward definitely isn't clear. Trump is a symptom of something really bad festering here, that his racial politics has such a thriving market is certainly a bad thing culturally speaking. The alternative is a competent and effective administrator, but also business as usual in Washington which people aren't real thrilled about.

But racial hate and the idea that people different from you are inferior or bad is learned behavior, and she is teaching that three year old that through her actions and lessons. And again it isn't just the whites doing it, because I'll say hello you young black people when passing them on the street sometimes and they just look at me like I'm Satan and they're learning that somewhere.

And this isn't benign racism that kind of brings people together in quirky ways, like racial jokes or stereotypes we all give each other shit about....there is clearly a dynamic where some people are preaching that other typesof people are inherently evil. No longer is it about the content of character, if it ever was, to a lot of people.

These are scary times.


it is the death throws of a completely constitutionally driven country, where freedom is precedent over common health of the nation. I always find it quite ironic because the founders formed our government in order to be a prosperous place where all people have equal opportunities (minus some hindsight that blacks were real humans and Indians weren't savages, but hey they tried). And in practice it formed the successes we have, paired with almost unparalleled natural resources and agricultural potential of course. It just doesnt translate into the internet age as perfectly as it seemed to 100 years ago. The funny thing is the other side, constitutionalists, could actually save more freedoms by allowing some wiggle room. But they will instead grasp onto everything so tight it needs to be ripped from their hands. People joke about America becoming a socialist country, but thats the end result of the path we're on, how smoothly that path goes is really up to the people causing problems on both sides.
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