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Jun 16 2016 11:40am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jun 16 2016 12:29pm)


In this context, "well regulated" means "well trained," not "subject to every whim a governing body." You're out of your element on this topic.
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Jun 16 2016 11:51am
Quote (balrog66 @ Jun 16 2016 03:33am)
I'm sure people blabbered about this exact same issues when the potato boats came washing over from Ireland.


And the spaniards, the Germans, the French, the Jews, Quakers, Chinese, Muslims and (briefly) the Japanese.

It has nothing to do with sjw.
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Jun 16 2016 01:48pm
Quote (Bazi @ Jun 16 2016 08:39am)
Are you at all attempting to imply the roman empire fell due to poor immigration policy? lmao

There are certainly comparisons to be made amongst the two that you've intentionally or ignorantly decided to ignore, that have little to do with immigration


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Jun 16 2016 03:27pm
Quote (Santara @ Jun 16 2016 11:40am)
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Part A = clause. A statement of purpose. The right is specifically spelled out after the comma. ezpk

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

You can't skip this step, because they used the word AND. It does not say "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside," which is exactly how YOU are interpreting it.



Because the amendment doesn't say it's the right of the militia to keep and bear arms, it says the right of the people.


At bold: because if we were ever invaded by the British again people could form militias because they are armed. We don't need that because we have a standing army and don't need to summon dudes with rifles to repel invaders.

We need to defend our land, an army is necessary, and guys with arms are that.

The right to bear arms is connected to that other part.

But we don't go by what we feel is how they felt when they drafted it. We go by the words alone.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 16 2016 11:30am)
It would greatly benefit the national IQ and household income rate to make this change.

I would specifically suggest that if they pay for the birth at the hospital, they can become a citizen. If not, they have to go.

Under a more conservative supreme court they should reconsider the right.


Gotta love activist judges.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jun 16 2016 03:28pm
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At bold: because if we were ever invaded by the British again people could form militias because they are armed. We don't need that because we have a standing army and don't need to summon dudes with rifles to repel invaders.

We need to defend our land, an army is necessary, and guys with arms are that.

The right to bear arms is connected to that other part.

But we don't go by what we feel is how they felt when they drafted it. We go by the words alone.


And the words say "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" and "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens." Words mean things, and just because you've managed to get a court to agree that words mean things they don't mean doesn't undermine my case. The 2nd specifically protects the right of "the people," and the 14th specifically rules out people whose allegiance lies in a different jurisdiction.

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Jun 16 2016 03:48pm
Quote (Bazi @ 16 Jun 2016 13:46)
I'm am sorry you have difficulty grasping linear conversation


What else can you expect from a tumblrite anyway? :( linking gifs with tumblr in the url and falling to understand simple English is all he's got, man.
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Jun 16 2016 03:53pm
Quote (Santara @ 16 Jun 2016 18:40)
In this context, "well regulated" means "well trained," not "subject to every whim a governing body." You're out of your element on this topic.


cool "well trained" you said ? certainly means a licence is necessary then, gotcha ;)

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Jun 16 2016 03:53pm
Quote (Santara @ Jun 16 2016 03:39pm)
And the words say "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" and "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens." Words mean things, and just because you've managed to get a court to agree that words mean things they don't mean doesn't undermine my case. The 2nd specifically protects the right of "the people," and the 14th specifically rules out people whose allegiance lies in a different jurisdiction.


One can be subject to two jurisdictions. You are every time you leave the country even though you aren't a citizen of that country.
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Jun 16 2016 04:06pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 16 2016 04:53pm)
One can be subject to two jurisdictions. You are every time you leave the country even though you aren't a citizen of that country.


That is not what the clause means. Obviously everyone (including Indians not taxed who are explicitly not citizens) are subject to the jurisdictional authority of our laws while they are within our territory. That does not make them subjects of our jurisdiction, they are subjects of their original jurisdiction (i.e. their home country). I mean seriously, did you skip right over this part from earlier?

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You can't skip this step, because they used the word AND. It does not say "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside," which is exactly how YOU are interpreting it.


Why in the hell would they write "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" if they meant what you are claiming in your asinine comment?

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jun 16 2016 04:53pm)
cool "well trained" you said ? certainly means a licence is necessary then, gotcha ;)


This discussion relies on a pretty solid understanding of English to proceed. Just stop while you're behind.

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