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Sep 29 2015 10:01am
Quote (iBruno @ Sep 29 2015 10:44am)


only in the 80s could you get away with "Nibbling versus Gorging" lmfao
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The part that says metabolism changes with eating habits, which that study doesn't say. It does not make sense to me how eating healthy will increase the amount of calories your body burns.
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The part that says metabolism changes with eating habits, which that study doesn't say. It does not make sense to me how eating healthy will increase the amount of calories your body burns.


the process is complicated but to simplify

fructose --> high insulin response --> over acute term fructose levels decrease (high glycemic index), however insulin levels remain elevated --> chronic insulinemia

insulinemia signals to the body that you are in the fed state and this is a good opportunity to store materials for the future. simply stated insulin results in decreased lipolysis, increased triglyceride synthesis (fat storage), decreased gluconeogenesis, and increased glucose stores in the form of glycogen. your body does just this and more in response to chronically elevated insulin levels, regardless of what the actual nutrient supply is. since high fructose products have a high glycemic index, they will leave your body very quickly, but due to the sustained increase in insulin - you will still be overcompensating to store foods you ingest, even if you are eating very little quantities. this is why it is not all about calorie counting, but what foods you are eating.

2k calories of sugar = 2k calories of sprouts as far as potential energy stored in each, however to think your body reacts the same to the two options infers gross misunderstanding

if you want a source i will reference you to any biochemistry textbook written after 1991

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I'll tell you what I can attest to diet over exercise in lowering the A1c number I've been disabled for years so any serious exercise is out as I can walk a little bit but not far.

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes a couple years ago I've learned that a prolonged addiction to opiates can cause harm to the pancreas. Something I needed to deal with, so I did.

when I started testing my blood sugar was up around 212 needless to say we attacked it proactively medicine and diet wise I tried to cut carbs drastically I wasn't much on the saturated fats anyway but breads are my weakness. Now I just make good breads my weakness, all whole grain breads and pasta steamed or raw veggies and salad with a homemade dressing low carb/no sugar and most of our meat is wild game which is low fat, or beef from dairy steers which are also very low fat. My blood sugar is running now around 102-87 so I'm going to talk to the Dr. about dropping the Meds.

but that's been achieved from diet not exercise, and not abusing my body with the opiates for what it's worth.
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Quote (IceMage @ Sep 27 2015 12:09am)
To an extent it is. You ever read about the professor who went on a twinkie diet and lost weight?

If you eat less calories than you burn a day, even if it's all crap, you will lose weight.


lose weight =/= living healthy
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I find that when I'm not working out, I probably only burn 1300 calories a daygiven that I'm at a desk all day. I think we need to revisit the idea of "2000 calorie diets."


There's no fucking way you burn that few calories. Possible that you burn closer to 1700 as a low number if you're much smaller than me.

I don't weigh very much and a guestimated TDEE for me is just over 2000 if I set the exercise to zero. TDEE is hwo much your body burns on an average day. BMR is how much your body burns if you are a essentially in a vegetative state.

http://iifym.com/iifym-calculator/

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Quote (nineinchnailz @ 26 Sep 2015 19:07)
Yes it is. You think 2k calories in sugar is the same as 2k calories in green leafy vegetables? Learn how metabolism works, learn what gets instantly turned into sugar, and learn how the body reacts.


Yes, actually, it is. The only detail here is that 2k calories of green vegies would take you days to eat.
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Quote (Mastersam93 @ Sep 29 2015 04:51pm)
The part that says metabolism changes with eating habits, which that study doesn't say. It does not make sense to me how eating healthy will increase the amount of calories your body burns.


Eating habits are not limited to "eating what is considered healthy food". I didn't say eating healthy food will change your metabolism.

For example, eating one huge meal per day, or 6 small meals spread throughout the day is part of your eating habits. That most certainly can affect your metabolism.

Here is some research on that specifically:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22414/

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Oct 1 2015 03:40am
sugar ? but think of all the happy kids! running jumping

edit: on second thought, forget it ... too many fat kids ... i heard 2 days ago of a girl aged 17 and she does 30 units of insulin

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