Quote (Golden_Order @ Sep 21 2015 08:09pm)
You sure that you are not trolling, are you?.... if you get raped 10 times, it counts as 10 rapes, in what part of the world, being raped 10 times counts as one?, are you sure you are not trolling in this topic?.
as you obviously didn't read the article i'll quote it for you here.
Quote (Brottsförebyggande rådet)
In Sweden there is a comparatively broad definition of what constitutes rape. This means that more sexual crimes are registered as rape than in most other countries. A comparative victim survey between European countries does however not put Sweden at the top of the list.
Rape is a crime that strongly violates integrity, and must be taken very seriously. Therefore we must also be responsible when using figures that describe rape. Currently, there is a discussion about the level of rape in Sweden compared to other European countries, where the discussion is based on statistics about reported crimes.
Within established research about levels of crime and crime development, people are agreed that it is not possible to evaluate and compare the actual levels of violent crimes (such as rape) between countries by comparing the number of crimes reported to the police. This is because there are significant differences between the judicial systems of countries and systems for creating statistics showing crimes reported to the police.
Broader definition and extensive registration
Firstly, in Sweden there is a noticeably broad definition of what constitutes rape. This means that more acts in Sweden are regarded and registered as rape than in the majority of other countries. Secondly, in Sweden a lot of effort is made to register all cases that can be suspected to be rape. As this is done at a very early stage of the process, cases are included that later turn out to be some other sex crime, or even no crime at all. In addition to this, all individual acts are registered — not just the latest occasion or the main crime. In many other countries cases like these are filtered out and do not show up in the statistics.
And it is not only in the area of rape where these differences are noticeable. Sweden stands out within the entire area of crimes against the person in particular, because the registration of crime is more extensive than in the majority of other countries in Europe. This forms the background to, for example, the fact that ten times as many cases of assault are registered in Sweden as in Greece.
Exposure to sex crimes average
Instead of looking at the statistics for crimes reported — which in any case merely show a proportion of the actual number of crimes — criminologists instead recommend comparisons between countries based on large surveys of the general public, so-called victim surveys. Sex crimes, such as rape, are in themselves not easy to investigate using victim surveys, as they relate to sensitive experiences and because the attitude to sex crimes varies between countries.
But in the victim survey that exists that permits basic comparison between levels of exposure to sex crimes in ten European countries, Sweden does not top the list, as in the reporting statistics. Instead, Sweden is around the average mark, which is also the case for assaults and threats, despite the fact that compared to other countries, we have many such crimes reported. However, the fact that we are not any worse than many other countries does not mean that the situation is good. If any rape is committed, the level is too high.
now, according to Uppsala University quoting Brottsförebyggande rådet (The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention)
"Vid åtta av tio anmälda våldtäkter är förövaren bekant med offret. 32 procent av de polisanmälda våldtäkterna har enligt statistiken skett inom en nära relation"
in eight out of ten cases in reported rapes the rapist was previously known to the victim. according to the police's statistics 32 percent of rapes are committed by people in close relations.
this, combined with the changes in what defines as sexual assault and how repeated sexual assaults are put into statistics (which, as i told you are behind the clear spikes in the statistics. you are familiar with the trends there, aren't you?)
in most countries familial rape that continues for, say, a year all of the individual rapes aren't classified separately.
Quote (Golden_Order @ Sep 21 2015 08:09pm)
Making ridiculous arguments like this makes me think you are just trolling
i asked you to familiarise yourself with the subject, which you did not. in fact it seems like you didn't even read the post to which you were replying to, which is an odd way to approach any discussion at all.
Quote (Golden_Order @ Sep 20 2015 08:28pm)
I have seen many news articles, video documentaries and I have friends living in Europe
oh, but that's pretty much the only time i've heard about such claims being made by any news agency. i actually tried googling it a bit but i only found some neo-nazi and fringe-right websites. should i interpret what you're saying as something along the lines of "you Europeans who live in Europe and who have been to the places in question are in fact brain washed by the state / mass media!". i don't see how Neo-Nazi websites are any better than whatever this "mass media" that you think i follow is. why is it that they claim that the 7xx zus are "no-go zones" when that is quite clearly and demonstrably not the case?
you claimed that there are towns where Europeans and the police don't go. now it's time for you to name them. Den Haag wasn't under Sharia, neither was Lyons, nor was Birmingham, nor was Amsterdam nor Berlin nor Munchen nor Bonn nor... where are these towns? sure, there's loads of crime that correlates with poverty in, say, Malmö, but the times i've been either there or in Stockholm i've never once met anything at all that even faintly resembles a shariah zone. have you some better sources on the subject?
Quote (Golden_Order @ Sep 21 2015 08:09pm)
Someone said, it can be fixed in one generation. Well, no it cant, because you will be overwhelmed and like I said before, they reproduce like rabbits, and then their children will also reproduce like rabbits too, so they wont have the mindset of a responsible man with a normal family, instead, they have children with different girls, and at the same time girls have 7 children of 7 different guys/boys, and the whole thing happens again in the next generation.
actually the birth rates drop already by second generation and "generation 1.5". there have been actual studies about this y'know, and the effect is pretty well known - the drop's especially strong with improving education and jobs, but it's still there even when there isn't that much of a massive change in socio-economical status (at least in Germany - in Sweden the rates are unchanged if education and employment don't improve). why have you not familiarised yourself with them before making your claims? or have you got some other sources than German / Swedish figures/research? the French ones won't help, but if you've got statistics on how the birth rates have developed beween generational changes in British immigrants i'd be more than interested to hear about them.
0/10 thread & 0/10 posts, 100% d2jsp quality up here.
This post was edited by Gastly on Sep 21 2015 03:18pm