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Sep 16 2015 11:20am
Quote (IceMage @ 16 Sep 2015 17:13)
What are you talking about? The young guy was right wing and the woman/black guy were left wing. Plus, Tom Rogan(the young guy) could definitely be described as ideological in his viewpoints on foreign policy.


If ya say so. Theyre the most right wing left-wingers I ever seen.

Guess that's the American political climate though. The center is so far right there is no real left-wing anymore.
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Sep 16 2015 11:40am
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If ya say so. Theyre the most right wing left-wingers I ever seen.

Guess that's the American political climate though. The center is so far right there is no real left-wing anymore.


Serious people in politics don't have incredibly stupid foreign policy positions... like the fringe which appeals to liberals on this forum.
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Sep 16 2015 01:46pm
I love the McLaughlin Group, though for entirely different reasons.
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Sep 16 2015 02:23pm
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If ya say so. Theyre the most right wing left-wingers I ever seen.

Guess that's the American political climate though. The center is so far right there is no real left-wing anymore.


If you watch more than one episode the Black guy and Eleanor are extremely liberal in their views. Tom Rogan is the neocon globalist that thinks the US needs to be part of everything. Pat Buchanan is by far the most knowledgeable out of all of them and is an isolationist, putting Americans first, some libertarian qualities, mostly conservative leaning etc.

Also John McLaughlin is all wrinkly because he has literally been doing this show for over 30 years. It's one of the few political shows that discusses real political issues and not the dumb things they call news on CNN.
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Sep 19 2015 07:21pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 16 2015 11:54am)
no, france isnt wavering off about assad, first minister said he was a butcher for a reason btw

for weapons
http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2014/08/20/la-france-a-bien-livre-des-armes-aux-rebelles-en-syrie_4473715_823448.html

for others point im not responsible if you cant understand geopolitic basics.


Doesn't matter anymore what their personal feelings of him are, increasingly Western states, spearheaded by Britain are willing to allow for a solution that involves Assad remaining in power for the time being. The US, who was the most hardline on Assad leaving, announced given the new Russian revelations that the US is willing to negotiate a solution that will involve Assad maintaining power for an "unspecified timeline".
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Sep 20 2015 09:49am
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Doesn't matter anymore what their personal feelings of him are, increasingly Western states, spearheaded by Britain are willing to allow for a solution that involves Assad remaining in power for the time being. The US, who was the most hardline on Assad leaving, announced given the new Russian revelations that the US is willing to negotiate a solution that will involve Assad maintaining power for an "unspecified timeline".


Assad no longer possesses the necessary resources to control Syria. He will never control a unified Syria again, it's for the best that he hands over power to a more amenable candidate.
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Sep 20 2015 10:00am
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If you watch more than one episode the Black guy and Eleanor are extremely liberal in their views. Tom Rogan is the neocon globalist that thinks the US needs to be part of everything. Pat Buchanan is by far the most knowledgeable out of all of them and is an isolationist, putting Americans first, some libertarian qualities, mostly conservative leaning etc.

Also John McLaughlin is all wrinkly because he has literally been doing this show for over 30 years. It's one of the few political shows that discusses real political issues and not the dumb things they call news on CNN.


I'm not sure if you know all about this genius you so adore, you being as young as you are but I remember a quite different Pat.

I didn't take much time getting you info but here's a brief wiki on your "most knowledgeable man"

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Buchanan has written about the Holocaust. For example, Buchanan wrote that it was impossible for 850,000 Jews to be killed by diesel exhaust fed into the gas chamber at Treblinka.[18] Such statements have led to accusations that he has helped legitimize Holocaust denial. When George Will challenged him about it on TV, Buchanan did not reply. In 1983, he criticized the U.S. government for expressing regret over its postwar protection of Klaus Barbie.[citation needed] In 1985, Buchanan advocated restoring the citizenship of Arthur Rudolph, an ex-Nazi rocket scientist accused of employing slave labor at a V-2 plant.[citation needed] In 1987, Buchanan lobbied to stop deportation of Karl Linnas, accused of atrocities in Estonia.[citation needed] In 1991 William F. Buckley, Jr. wrote a 40,000-word National Review article discussing anti-Semitism among conservative commentators focused largely on Buchanan; the article and many responses to it were collected in the book In Search of Anti-Semitism (1992). He concluded: "I find it impossible to defend Pat Buchanan against the charge that what he did and said during the period under examination amounted to anti-Semitism."[19][20]

The Anti-Defamation League has called Buchanan an "unrepentant bigot" who "repeatedly demonizes Jews and minorities and openly affiliates with white supremacists."[21] "There's no doubt," said Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Charles Krauthammer, "he makes subliminal appeals to prejudice."[22] Buchanan has adamantly denied that he is antisemitic, and a number of conservatives and his journalistic colleagues, some of them Jewish, including Jack Germond, Al Hunt and Mark Shields, have defended him against the charge.[23] It is alleged that, as a member of the Reagan White House, he actively suppressed the Reagan Justice Department's investigation into Nazi scientists brought to America by the OSS's Operation Paperclip.[24] In the context of the Gulf War, on September 15, 1990, Buchanan appeared on The McLaughlin Group and said that "there are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East – the Israeli defense ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States." He also said: "The Israelis want this war desperately because they want the United States to destroy the Iraqi war machine. They want us to finish them off. They don't care about our relations with the Arab world." When he delivered a keynote address at the 1992 Republican National Convention, known as the Culture War speech, Buchanan described "a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America".[25]


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Sep 20 2015 08:29pm
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Assad no longer possesses the necessary resources to control Syria. He will never control a unified Syria again, it's for the best that he hands over power to a more amenable candidate.



And who does? Right now loyalist territory is pretty much the only "safe" part of Syria. If there was a better candidate, Britain and the U.S. wouldn't be backing off on the demand he leaves power.
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Sep 21 2015 09:00am
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And who does? Right now loyalist territory is pretty much the only "safe" part of Syria. If there was a better candidate, Britain and the U.S. wouldn't be backing off on the demand he leaves power.


Kerry is a spineless coward and notoriously incompetent. Even then what he's suggesting is that Assad will stay in control of his 15% ahead of an orderly transition.

Neither Assad nor the Alawites will ever fully control Syria again.

The president in 2016 will be a hawk.
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Sep 21 2015 03:55pm
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Kerry is a spineless coward and notoriously incompetent. Even then what he's suggesting is that Assad will stay in control of his 15% ahead of an orderly transition.
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Neither Assad nor the Alawites will ever fully control Syria again.

The president in 2016 will be a hawk.


Regardless, Kerry is the mouthpiece of US foreign policy, and the US' declining clout will not be able to overcome Europe who is increasingly indifferent or hostile to the prospect of regime change in Syria. War exhaustion is high in the US, and the American public will not accept escalation in the middle east. A hawk can be a hawk, but not in this region, not in Syria.

When this war ends, Assad and the Ba'athists will still be in power. For how long? Who knows, I imagine Assad thinks exile in London (where his wife and children have citizenship) is looking pretty attractive, but he'll be the president who hands power over. There really is no other option if they wish to end the chaos. And it's highly unlikely that Syria is going to transition to a democracy. It didn't work in Iraq, and there will be no foreign policy imposes it.
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