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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Aug 19 2015 06:01pm)
...I think blacks are starting to realize that Democrat policies have been nothing but smoke and mirrors in order to garner votes . Imagine if we had a new political party centered on black issues :o


Here is one of the things that actually came out of the #blacklivesmatter meeting with Clinton:

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But now that two videos of the meeting surfaced on Tuesday, followed by the Clinton campaign's release of a comprehensive transcript of the exchange, I feel differently. Rather than being a lost effort, the meeting cut to the heart of the racial justice conversation that the Black Lives Matter has been advancing in this presidential campaign, and exposed the inherent fallacy: That public policy, even that which liberals brand as "good" for black Americans, can be the only (or even primary) weapon against structural racism.

The original hope was that, by disrupting the rally, the activists would push Clinton's campaign to put out a policy platform that formalized the stances made in her widely lauded April speech on criminal justice reform. In private, the group pushed further, evoking past calls for the fundamental reconstruction of an American society seeded by white supremacy.

They started the meeting, as fellow protesters had with the other candidates, with a challenge to produce a plan. Clinton responded not with a set of proposals, but contextualization. Emphasizing that she is trying to explore what policies are and are not working with regard to drugs, on mass incarceration, on police behavior and criminal justice reform, Clinton said, “I do think that there was a different set of concerns back in the eighties and the early nineties. And now I believe that we have to look at the world as it is today and try and figure out what will work now. And that’s what I’m trying to figure out and that’s what I intend to do as president.”

Clinton later emphasized that at the time of the Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act’s passing in 1994, a “very serious crime wave” had gripped the nation, and that she and President Clinton were, at the time, “responding to the very real concerns of people in the communities themselves.” She applauded what Black Lives Matter is doing, encouraged them to keep pressuring her and her fellow politicians, and offered to work with them on developing a comprehensive plan.

Jones, the founder of Black Lives Matter's Worcester, Massachusetts chapter, responded to that in an unflinching manner that should redefine how we talk about racial justice policy in the 2016 campaign. He wanted to ensure that it wasn’t just the policy Clinton knew she had wrong, but the instinct to react to things like crime waves with policy that has discriminatory consequences that are foreseeable. “I think that a huge part of what you haven't said is that you have offered a recognition that mass incarceration has not worked, and that it is an unfortunate consequence of government practices that just didn't work,” said Jones.

He drove home that the problem isn’t necessarily a lack of policies to mitigate structural racism, but that U.S. public policy was and remains inescapably flawed with regards to race. “America's first drug is free black labor, and turning black bodies into profit,” Jones said, “and the mass incarceration system mirrors an awful lot like the prison plantation system. It’s a similar thread, and until someone takes that message and speaks that truth to white people in this country so that we can actually take on anti-blackness as a founding problem in this country, I don't believe that there is going to be a solution.”

This is may sound pessimistic, but Jones speaks to a fundamental truth too often ignored in our political discussions, one that should seem obvious as we use the term “structural racism.” The American experiment is racially defective, which happens when its foundation was largely built upon the subjugation, rape, abuse, exploitation, murder, and forced servitude of kidnapped Africans and their descendants. The notion that this kind of system needs to be rebooted may sound radical, but it's hardly new. W.E.B. DuBois, writing in his 1935 essay Black Reconstruction, argued that the American political system itself had been made provably better with racial equality during Reconstruction, but that revisionist history emphasized white dominion over newly freed black slaves. In other words, it was codified into our history. And the negative effects aren't limited to black folks or other people of color today; systemic bias and discrimination makes white lives matter less, too. Racism is endemic to America, but it is also its undoing.


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This meeting got to the heart of why our racial conversations so often detour into the oft-irrelevant question of meaning. Did Clinton and her husband mean to increase incarceration rates for drug offenses by nearly 60 percent? Perhaps not, but does that matter? The activists’ argument is that policy solutions, when made the only pathway to change, is insufficient.

Jones asked Clinton, “What in you—not your platform, not what you’re supposed to say—like, how do you actually feel that’s different than you did before?” She replied with an acknowledgment that talk is cheap: “You can get lip service from as many white people as you can pack into Yankee Stadium and a million more like it, who are going to say, ‘Oh, we get it. We get it. We’re going to be nicer.’”

“The consciousness-raising, the advocacy, the passion, the youth of your movement is so critical,” Clinton added. “But now all I'm suggesting is—even for us sinners—find some common ground on agendas that can make a difference right here and now in people’s lives, and that's what I would love to have your thoughts about, because that's what I'm trying to figure out how to do.”


From the meeting. A much different conversation than the one characterized by the OP and deadly serious, but we have plenty of liars here these days. Anyway, the representative of #blacklivesmatter really asks hard questions.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122572/what-black-lives-matter-made-clear-hillary-clinton

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...I think blacks are starting to realize that Democrat policies have been nothing but smoke and mirrors in order to garner votes . Imagine if we had a new political party centered on black issues :o



They truly are a minority population wise running way behind Hispanics as 3rd. place now a Latino/Black party would kick ass and take names but I think the Illuminati would step in or the skull and Bones or some evil organization that watches us for our own good :ph34r:

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#whitelivesmatter



getting pretty handy with that hashtag aren't we? :D
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Here is one of the things that actually came out of the #blacklivesmatter meeting with Clinton:





From the meeting. A much different conversation than the one characterized by the OP and deadly serious, but we have plenty of liars here these days. Anyway, the representative of #blacklivesmatter really asks hard questions.


...yet more and more black leaders are starting to tell their audience to not vote . This could be a very interesting sidebar to the election season but one that actually could have an effect on the outcome .
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...yet more and more black leaders are starting to tell their audience to not vote . This could be a very interesting sidebar to the election season but one that actually could have an effect on the outcome .



The election is so far away I can't believe that there's any serious talk about boycotting it yet, and besides they'd be giving up a big voice if they gave up the black vote.
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Actually, it is Florida. Florida.
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Actually, it is Florida. Florida.


Lots of swimming pools there.
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Lots of swimming pools there.


Yeah, for a tropical third world it does have some good recreation.
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Actually, it is Florida. Florida.


i see so much hate about this state in this forum, like more than almost any I swear.
makes me really want to try harder and leave :/ especially for my career choice
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i see so much hate about this state in this forum, like more than almost any I swear.
makes me really want to try harder and leave :/ especially for my career choice


My goal is to move to Florida after I graduate, lol.
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