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Nov 21 2017 10:15am
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ 21 Nov 2017 11:18)
Are you assuming his presidency?


Quote (djman72 @ 21 Nov 2017 11:21)
I hope Comrade Bernie runs in 2020.

He can roll over to whoever (D) trots out and earn his forth or maybe even fifth lake house if he does a good job.


are you both assuming barnies gender?
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Nov 21 2017 10:22am
Quote (excellence @ Nov 21 2017 09:15am)
are you both assuming barnies gender?


sorry
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Nov 21 2017 10:22am
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 21 2017 09:12am)
I can't understand the appeal. Diablo 2 should have been dead 16 years ago if it didn't have PvP. I would have played through it twice and then relegated it to collecting dust
without dueling, thats exactly what happened with PoE. Played through it once, forgot all about it. And even in one playthrough, GGG managed to oppressively nerf my build out of existence halfway through a season


That's because GGG only got PvE down right. It has massive fucking end-game it's awesome. However, yes, pvp in PoE is shit and d2 pvp still shines/trump's over any aRPG even today, and probably will for decades tbh

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Nov 21 2017 11:06am
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Nov 21 2017 11:22am)
That's because GGG only got PvE down right. It has massive fucking end-game it's awesome. However, yes, pvp in PoE is shit and d2 pvp still shines/trump's over any aRPG even today, and probably will for decades tbh


FALSE.

D3 PVP for the win. Best PVP EVAR. balanced, fair, competitive, and the scene is full of players.

Trading in D3 has really made the PVP market explode. I'm actually involved in a MLD PVP tourney after work today. My Witch doektor is going to pew pew some bitches with his blow gun while holding his 2 handed sword.

Pew Pew Pew!
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Quote (djman72 @ Nov 21 2017 10:06am)
FALSE.

D3 PVP for the win. Best PVP EVAR. balanced, fair, competitive, and the scene is full of players.

Trading in D3 has really made the PVP market explode. I'm actually involved in a MLD PVP tourney after work today. My Witch doektor is going to pew pew some bitches with his blow gun while holding his 2 handed sword.

Pew Pew Pew!


:rofl:
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Nov 21 2017 11:16am
Quote (excellence @ Nov 21 2017 11:15am)
are you both assuming barnies gender?


Berine's gender is confirmed as "comrade"

He has chose deliberately chosen to live his life as a comrade.
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Nov 21 2017 11:19am
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Nov 21 2017 10:22am)
That's because GGG only got PvE down right. It has massive fucking end-game it's awesome. However, yes, pvp in PoE is shit and d2 pvp still shines/trump's over any aRPG even today, and probably will for decades tbh


Its endless grinding of the exact same content that gets endlessly remixed
Not sure where the appeal is in the skinner box stuff. Going through all the content in the game once is enough to see it, going through it twice is enough to make sure you didn't miss anything
Once you're replaying content in single player for the 2374th time just to earn imaginary internet points, I can't see the appeal
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Nov 21 2017 11:30am
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 21 2017 10:19am)
Its endless grinding of the exact same content that gets endlessly remixed
Not sure where the appeal is in the skinner box stuff. Going through all the content in the game once is enough to see it, going through it twice is enough to make sure you didn't miss anything
Once you're replaying content in single player for the 2374th time just to earn imaginary internet points, I can't see the appeal


Eh, not really mate but I understand. There is the full story (10 full Acts), then end-game maps, boss runs, master leveling, challenge leagues have their own shtick and things to do, dailies, crafting, working on gear to be more efficient on end-game maps. Just off the top of my head and more

Then, the replayability really comes into play when making new characters. Look at Mathilification's channel on Youtube.. look at all how many diff builds he does per league. That's how most people play the game PvE wise, making new characters is basically the end-game, it's hella fun.

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Quote (djman72 @ Nov 21 2017 11:21am)
I hope Comrade Bernie runs in 2020.

He can roll over to whoever (D) trots out and earn his forth or maybe even fifth lake house if he does a good job.



That might be the ideal scenario as he would split the vote the same way Hillary did

If he doesnt win... that is equally likely
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Nov 21 2017 08:10pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Nov 21 2017 11:30am)
Eh, not really mate but I understand. There is the full story (10 full Acts), then end-game maps, boss runs, master leveling, challenge leagues have their own shtick and things to do, dailies, crafting, working on gear to be more efficient on end-game maps. Just off the top of my head and more

Then, the replayability really comes into play when making new characters. Look at Mathilification's channel on Youtube.. look at all how many diff builds he does per league. That's how most people play the game PvE wise, making new characters is basically the end-game, it's hella fun.


Five acts*, then 5 repeated acts where the same content is remixed.
All the grinding to raise some imaginary points, all the maps, boss runs, master leveling- its just replaying the same content endlessly, the same skills, same enemies, same bosses, same tilesets
And as far as build-making goes, it already takes out any real competitive motivation when the game is single player, build optimization is important for marginal utility in player vs player games, but in single player grindfests its pretty irrelevant. But then you take that, and compound it with GGG's design philosophy of insufferably micromanaging their metagame and its just odious as all hell. They have a habit of nerfing any build that's good and completely patching out any build that's clever. Virtually everything I've ever done in SnG for D2 would be a complete waste in PoE. I couldn't even do my 'make two full chars' before they managed to nerf both my builds out of existence (lightning warp totems was ruined by lower duration changes, kinetic blast + frost wall was removed entirely)
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