All men don't get kidney stones and even if they do - they can use a laser to dissolve them. It is 2015, not 1915.



oh I see, well tell her you're tougher than , she's probably faking the pain.

This post was edited by card_sultan on May 18 2015 12:38pm

i didnt say all men get kidney stones, i said it depends on if you have had them. And not all kidney stones can be gotten with the laser, my dad got a nasty one last year out of the blue and by the time he got to the hospital they said he would need to pass it naturally, with no medicine because his seizure medicine could react with it.

Well he's obviously a better person for experiencing that pain, he should be thankful for the seasoning.

This post was edited by card_sultan on May 18 2015 01:07pm

Im not sure being tougher makes you a better person, but i am sure that experiencing pain makes you tougher.

On a semi-related note I think that the pain of childbirth is a bigger factor in the mother child bond than people may think tho, if we went to all c-sections one day i think there's a real chance it could be a detriment to society.

On the contrary, prolonged suffering results in learned helplessness and passivity. Generally, happier people are far more resilient to hardship.

I should actually modify a previous post. It is only clear just how much of a moral urgency suffering is when one is suffering oneself. Even after enduring horrible suffering, the brutality of it is forgotten when it subsides.

But in any case, it seems to me incredibly short sighted to try to defend the need for suffering when one imagines the horrors of Auschwitz, the reality of which is unimaginably worse. No amount of anything makes up for such atrocities.

So you're saying Mothers don't love their Babies as much if they have a c-section? umm -
notifying Hallmark so they can make more appropriate Mothers Day cards....

Well yes and no, to the degree that it makes much of a difference on an individual basis after raising the child? no. At that exact moment of birth, yes. Thats simply hormones not a choice.

It is well documented however that the bond between mother and child is stronger with those women who naturally breastfeed, im suggesting a similar correlation with natural births. The amount of love however isnt congruent, love is something you can build in many different ways just like any bond, but if you dont breastfeed and/or have a natural birth you will need to harbor that bond in other ways. Im just concerned about whole generations of humans being born via c-section and/or not being breastfed, that is unprecedented so im not sure what the consequences would be.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 18 2015 01:38pm

Are women that choose c-sections more likely to bottle feed?- i really don't know, there's probably some chart on google.

im not sure if there is a correlation whatsoever. I can say there is likely one between women who chose natural no medicine birth and natural no bottle breastfeeding.

Just getting back from my 3 day ban for posting that video of showing how our meat is processed. 97%* of American's eat meat but apparently seeing what goes in to putting that steak on your plate is to much.


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This thread as has taken a detour in usual Pard fashion, so the point I want to reiterate without going into the meat meat consumption vs vegetarianism that wont advance any discourse or heirloom farm vs factory farming debate is that if one is going to slaughter a farmed animal in a commercial slaughterhouse we owe it to the animals and for our human compassion to kill the animal in the most humane way. Halal sloat slitting vs western bolt method are not functionally equivalent when it comes to the amount of suffering the animal has to endure. Boycott halal, and support your local family farm if they're doing it right.


I think a little bit of suffering, adversity and hardship can be a good thing for a variety of factors. To some extent, it builds character and is motivating as negative reinforcement for numerous people. It also fosters innovation.