Fiscal sanity can be achieved whilst keeping welfare systems intact. Plenty of other countries have achieved that.

I actually agree with this, I'd like some sort of safety net just to catch the odd ducks or truly unloveables

But first hand I've seen it work so many times that with things like bake sales if you put a price on everything people pay the price happily because it goes or soccer or 4-h or youth group etc..
But if you just put the items on the table and just ask for a donation if they take one they always give more than the 25 cents or whatever they are thinking "oh this is a donation" not "I'm buying cookies"

My home church adopts kids for Christmas teachers will anomalously give us names of kids that may not have much of a Christmas, then people will take their names and buy them gifts usually some useful like coats and gloves but toys too or other fun stuff. the teacher gets a wish list off of s santa list that the kids write. that makes it easier.
But we always have more people wanting to "adopt" kids than there are kids.

gonna call bullshit on that number

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2014USbn_16bs2n_40#usgs302

if you want fiscal sanity, here's an idea - stop warmongering

the rabid conservative base wants a war with iran to appease their jewish overlords

This post was edited by duffman316 on Apr 8 2015 12:36pm

To suggest that the conservative base is in favor of a war that will inevitably raise taxes is pure poppycock.

This ought to loosen the budget to allow for more corporate welfare.

Running American foreign policy is worth every penny, and that's not up for debate in the mainstream of both parties.

they are in favor of war - hell they're calling for boots on the ground to fight isis right now
yet they do not support raising taxes to support said war

it's why i find it laughable that they claim to be fiscally conservative


you're missing the point, i'm not saying you should or shouldn't go to war

i'm saying top waging wars you can't afford if you're going to blame the poor for your financial woes

This post was edited by duffman316 on Apr 8 2015 12:45pm

if by conservative base you mean most conservative ill agree. if you mean majority of conservative im gonna call b.s.

I dont think ISIS is killing anywhere near enough white people for the average american conservative to support boots on ground sadly.

duffman is right ofc... war is not good for the american economy, it is good for america's corporate interests

In a very disturbing sense our debt is in foreign blood.

This post was edited by Comus on Apr 8 2015 12:54pm

i'm going by the loudest voices on the right, if there is a more moderate demographic they are either too quiet or quickly get branded as rino's