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Oct 10 2014 10:07pm
Quote (carteblanche @ Oct 10 2014 11:06pm)
of course. it's not their fault. but the solution isn't to give the family more money, since that would encourage the problem.


child services/foster homes? what is your solution i'm asking
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Oct 10 2014 10:08pm
Private property is theft, so what does it matter?
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Private property is theft, so what does it matter?


Theft from whom, the native americans?
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Oct 10 2014 10:11pm
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Do you really think that people in the lowest percentile are exclusively there because they "suck and can't succeed?"  I think that's grossly oversimplifying it.  It may be true, as ineloquently as you put it, to some degree, for some people.  But that's a sweeping generalization.


Not what I was going for.
Just those who are unwilling to change, yet continue to complain.

Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 10 2014 11:59pm)
people who serve no purpose as their talents/skills are no longer of greatvalue and they have little to nothing to offer society - let's suppose there are far more of them than we need to fulfill the the type of work for which they are most suited

what would you have done with such people?


It's not about what I would have done with such people, it's about what such people would do with themselves.
They can choose to adapt, or they can choose to not.
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Oct 10 2014 10:12pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 11 2014 12:07am)
child services/foster homes? what is your solution i'm asking


please define the problem and what the goal is. you're far too vague right now.
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Oct 10 2014 10:13pm
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Theft from whom, the native americans?


The collective whole



Ownership of unlabored lands is just kind of silly, but I suppose it is understandable with such a ridiculously high population.

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Oct 10 2014 10:13pm
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Not what I was going for.
Just those who are unwilling to change, yet continue to complain. 



It's not about what I would have done with such people, it's about what such people would do with themselves. 
They can choose to adapt, or they can choose to not.


being able to adapt requires tools to adapt ~ education along with a means to survive that period ~ food/shelter etc.

who is going to pay for this?

what of those who choose not to adapt, or are simply incapable of adapting? do we consider them not fit to survive and leave them to die off on their own if no one else intervenes?
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Oct 10 2014 10:15pm
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The collective whole



Ownership of unlabored lands is just kind of silly, but I suppose it is understandable with such a ridiculously high population.


No its not, that is the purpose of property tax.
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Oct 10 2014 10:18pm
Quote (carteblanche @ Oct 10 2014 11:12pm)
please define the problem and what the goal is. you're far too vague right now.


i don't have any explicit goals here, i just want to know what people value and the means by which they are willing to obtain it

you believe the children are not at fault but also believing providing money to the family is not the solution, i am asking you what your goals are (clearly you have some idea of how society ought to be) and how you would go about achieving it realistically
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