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Sep 18 2014 10:29am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 18 Sep 2014 14:20)
...it's like all of a sudden you believe in objective morality ...is there a particular set of objective moral beliefs you hold that cause you to brand the NFL this way ?


Please don't go all HST ffs... Objective morality is impossible. You're intelligent enough to know that.
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Sep 18 2014 11:06am
I wish sport like hockey and football would be changed so that people didn't get hurt or pressured into playing again or through serious head traumas .


That said ... It is free will , I don't think most street kids and glory hungry sons of football players would change their minds even in the face of the facts , obviously you can say at the end of it if they wind up an unfortunate victim then they would wish they had been forced not to .... But hindsight is 20 20 .... We cannot force everyone to see reason and rationality .

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Sep 18 2014 11:07am
Quote (nineinchnailz @ Sep 18 2014 09:25am)
Sounds a lot like people being fired for saying things on twitter which I don't recall you coming to their defense.


I never claimed to be against witch hunts, I just said it is a bad time to be a witch.

Schadenfreude is older than me, and that is always what this sort of thing is. My favorite is when people mistake it for moral energy.
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Sep 18 2014 11:10am
Quote (Scaly @ Sep 18 2014 11:29am)
Please don't go all HST ffs... Objective morality is impossible. You're intelligent enough to know that.


Depends on how objective is defined. The way the Kantians, utilitarians, and the ethical egoist see it, objective morality has nothing to do with god. Whenever I see anybody talk about objective morality here it is always conflated completely with divine command theory.

The only way to say that it definitely doesn't exist is to say that there is no such thing as truth, otherwise all arguments against it fall apart (hint: every argument falls apart :p )

/e RB doublepost time

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Sep 18 2014 01:22pm
Quote (nineinchnailz @ Sep 18 2014 06:44am)
I focused pretty heavily on how they get started down this path at an early age and had the facts hidden from them.  Dangle millions of dollars in front of people if they agree to jump off a bridge at the age of 12 and call it free will.  By the way, everyone else is doing it.  It is part of the culture.  You really can't expect people to see the dangers in an activity that everyone is participating in.  Spectating makes you complicit.


there is no such thing as free will. Problem solved.

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Sep 18 2014 01:30pm
Quote (Helloween7 @ Sep 18 2014 09:38am)
So you'd ban the sport , if you were capable of it?


I'd change it to flag football.
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Sep 18 2014 01:41pm
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These guys choose playing at the highest level(and being rich) over having a real career making significantly less money.  Get over it.


They are never educated on the risk involved and as I have pointed out the NFL much like the tobacco industry funded junk science to cover up what was happening.

They are offered obscene amounts of money. They are given an offer they can't refuse. They are paid well so we can be entertained by their destruction. Some choice.
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They are never educated on the risk involved and as I have pointed out the NFL much like the tobacco industry funded junk science to cover up what was happening.


They are never educated, period.

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They are offered obscene amounts of money.  They are given an offer they can't refuse.  They are paid well so we can be entertained by their destruction.  Some choice.


quote1+2: Guess that's why i'd rather be away from society

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Sep 18 2014 02:10pm
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They are never educated on the risk involved and as I have pointed out the NFL much like the tobacco industry funded junk science to cover up what was happening.

They are offered obscene amounts of money.  They are given an offer they can't refuse.  They are paid well so we can be entertained by their destruction.  Some choice.


Actually, now they are. Even our first woman president has commented on it.

The guys made a life decision and will have to deal with the consequences. Again, just because you disagree with that decision doesn't mean they weren't capable of making it. You guys need to get rid of this complex where you think people don't process just as well as you do.

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Sep 18 2014 02:20pm
We have had a huge number of shitty threads recently. HUGE number.
But this one is a whole new level of shitty.
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