I didn't/don't consider the issue separately. If the OP question were reworded to include <insert the PC term of your choice>, would you alter your answer?

...but I do because they are separate issues .

If the question was worded to say should education be mandatory for every person no matter the level of their cognitive dysfunction I would answer no .

We have individualized education plans for people who would otherwise hold the class back.

If you're talking about disruptive children, then the discipline problem comes from the home. By putting that kid out of school you're just setting him up for further failure. Many troubled kids group up to become functional and well living adults given time. If discipline becomes too big of a problem, there are other schools for kids like that with professionals who have trained intensely to deal with incorrigible kids and try to put them back on track, regardless of where they came from or what other type of determinants are in the way.

And the ones that fail still deserve the shot, because if we stop giving shots to people we would miss a lot of people who really deserve it and who can actually succeed by our standards, and consequentially we will end up creating some super-lower class of untouchables like the lower caste in India who would just generationally become further and further entrenched in poverty, suffering, and death. That I think is too much inequality for even libertarians.

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 16 2014 09:03am

not too mention that the disruptive children can be appropriately dealt with by the teacher..

To a degree. Some kids don't make it and completely fail in socialization, and other kids can't be taught the same thing through the usual channels.

But yeah, teachers initiate the smackdown everyday; they are truly on the front lines. It sucks that the profession is so often under attack, with their opponents wanting to degrade their profession to the level of service worker.

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 16 2014 09:11am

I am well aware of this. I just got home from dropping some of these kids off at school using a "protected car." A protected car is a retired police cruiser that still has the barrier in place to protect the driver from being assaulted while driving at highway speeds by students. I have to drive them in a protected car precisely because they assaulted their driver while he was driving on the highway. These kids have a disconnect in their brains that rather prevents them from understanding the consequences of their actions. This particular student has no recollection of the assault in the first place. He would be better served in an institution.

Possibly, and if he continues this route he will end up in one. It is possible he has major undiagnosed mental illness...schizophrenia usually doesn't start rearing its head until very late teens and early adulthood. It is really hard to assess people like that because you never quite know what is delusion and what is lie.

Him putting other students in danger is generally the tipping point. I think it should take a lot for people to be institutionalized, because once in very few get out, and they are no place you really want to be.

since i dont want our kids growing up to be fucking idiots id say yes.

if the parents are not morons they can do the teaching as well but who is going to make sure of that?

school please, we need smart people.