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Sep 13 2014 02:50pm
Plasma, are you opposed to "right to work" aka at will employment
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Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ Sep 13 2014 03:02pm)
Yes. It should be legally impermissible to fire those people. Rice committed a crime that had nothing to do with his job, Zimmerman other was found innocent and yet suffers because of the mob mentality you support, and a neo-nazi is no better or worse than anyone else at performing a task.

There is more to business and life than your physical skills at the job.

You are not entitled to a job at the expense of a person who is not willing to employ you.
Employment is voluntary mutually beneficial exchange. If one party deems he doesn't like it anymore, you want to force them to keep exchanging.. that is wrong.

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Democracy is a mob. Oppression from the masses is no better than oppression from the state. In fact, the state has a duty to protect the weak from the strong, to protect the individual from the angry mob.

There is a difference between violent state oppression vs peaceful criticism and freedom of association and freedom to contract.
You propose the former. I propose the latter.


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This is why libertarianism taken to it's logical conclusion is wrong. "They are not seeking freedom for themselves, they have it. They are seeking to enslave others... It is fundamental that freedom is not to be secured by disobedience to law. Even the freedom of the slave depended on the supremacy of the Constitution. There is no mystery about this. They who sin are the servants of sin. They who break the laws are the slaves of their own kind. It is not for the advantage of others that the citizen is abjured to obey the laws, but for his own advantage. That what he claims a right to do to others, that must he admit others have a right to do to him. His obedience is his own protection. He is not submitting himself to the dictates of others, but responding to the requirements of his own nature."


Do you not see the massive contradiction in your beliefs?
You want to be free to do what you want and decry laws, but you want to use the state to violently force others to obey a law that they don't want. A law that is horrible pragmatically and is anti-liberty.

What if my 'own nature' says I want nothing to do with bigots and wife beaters? Then i'm not allowed to follow it? Only you can follow your nature?

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Sep 13 2014 03:28pm
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Sep 13 2014 03:31pm
Workers have no rights. Workers deserve no rights.
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Sep 13 2014 04:16pm
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 13 2014 03:31pm)
Workers have no rights.  Workers deserve no rights.


Troll harder
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Sep 13 2014 04:18pm
Quote (nobrow @ Sep 13 2014 05:16pm)
Troll harder


Corporations are people my friend.
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Quote (IceMage @ 14 Sep 2014 01:18)
Corporations are people my friend.


thinking like that can get you into serious trouble.

so if a company buys another company, in america. the new bosses immediately let employees know that they won't get fired. that's bullshit if you ask me.

nobody and nothing is preventing an employee to leave, and get a new job

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Sep 13 2014 04:29pm
Employers should be able to fire whoever they want...if i don't want you working for me that's final...idc y its my money and i don't want you having it... Sounds like your a bigot mad cuz you have a black supervisor and can't say your racist opinion... Plus there's already something like this for you lazy little s**** its called unemployment and you eat my taxes everyday
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Sep 13 2014 04:30pm
Quote (nineinchnailz @ Sep 12 2014 08:20pm)
Freedom of speech absolutely means freedom from consequences.  You're not free to express yourself if you lose the ability to make a living.


Do you imagine that there's a difference between losing the ability to make a living and losing your job?
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Sep 13 2014 04:32pm
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Do you imagine that there's a difference between losing the ability to make a living and losing your job?


of course nobody is stupid enough to work for small change ... oh wait mmmmmm wtf

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Sep 13 2014 04:43pm
Quote (the_rest @ Sep 13 2014 05:26pm)
thinking like that can get you into serious trouble.

so if a company buys another company, in america. the new bosses immediately let employees know that they won't get fired. that's bullshit if you ask me.

nobody and nothing is preventing an employee to leave, and get a new job


.... I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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