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Mar 22 2014 09:50am
Quote (PixileDust @ Mar 18 2014 08:03am)
Why weren't non-white countries capable of creating intrinsic value as European/European-satellite countries did?

why don't you tell me?
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90% of the Native American population was wiped out after Europeans arrived in the Americas. Only 10% of that was from actual fighting and wars. The first European settlers and explorers had trouble making it past the coast because they were heavily outnumbered. The rest of the 80% died to diseases brought over by Europeans, namely smallpox and measles. Europeans, having lived through the bubonic plague and whatnot, had developed immunity and only carried the diseases. The natives, having not been exposed to smallpox, quickly diminished and thus conquered when millions of people died out over the course of 150 years.

In other words, read a fucking book.


In other words, we can attribute most of the "atrocities" committed by Europeans to pathogens
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90% of the Native American population was wiped out after Europeans arrived in the Americas. Only 10% of that was from actual fighting and wars. The first European settlers and explorers had trouble making it past the coast because they were heavily outnumbered. The rest of the 80% died to diseases brought over by Europeans, namely smallpox and measles. Europeans, having lived through the bubonic plague and whatnot, had developed immunity and only carried the diseases. The natives, having not been exposed to smallpox, quickly diminished and thus conquered when millions of people died out over the course of 150 years.

In other words, read a fucking book.


Obviously, the biggest factor in the genocide of Native Americans was disease. However, we have no idea what would have happened if disease had not been a factor.

Therefore, Native Americans should be excluded from the conversation.

Lets focus on other cultures, such as China.

China's economy was single handedly devastated by a small island country known as Britain that had a fraction of China's population. Explain that.

This post was edited by PixileDust on Mar 22 2014 04:47pm
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Obviously, the biggest factor in the genocide of Native Americans was disease. However, we have no idea what would have happened if disease had not been a factor.

Therefore, Native Americans should be excluded from the conversation.

Lets focus on other cultures, such as China.

China's economy was single handedly devastated by a small island country known as Britain that had a fraction of China's population. Explain that.


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In other words, we can attribute most of the "atrocities" committed by Europeans to pathogens


I find your lack of critical thinking skills disturbing. Of the 20% of the Native American population that survived disease, half died in conflicts with Europeans. That would have been like the Russians deciding to invade western Europe during the Black Death and killing off another 100 million people in wars and ethnic cleansing.

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Obviously, the biggest factor in the genocide of Native Americans was disease. However, we have no idea what would have happened if disease had not been a factor.

Therefore, Native Americans should be excluded from the conversation.

Lets focus on other cultures, such as China.

China's economy was single handedly devastated by a small island country known as Britain that had a fraction of China's population. Explain that.


How convenient. Ignore history when it doesn't align with your arguments and worldview.

China is a piss-poor example. That same country was defeated by a smaller nation later on after it had unified, known as Japan. I suppose the Irish and Scottish are genetically inferior to the English because they couldn't 2v1 IRL? Or that Romans are the greatest race of men on earth, since their tiny city conquered everything from North Africa to the British Isles?

Shit, the only reason there is still an England today is because a hurricane decided it'd be a good idea to wipe out the Spanish armada. Are the Spaniards genetically inferior for not surviving a force of nature?

Your questions were answered simply and easily in the first few pages. Guns, germs, and steel are why Europeans were able to enslave or colonize much of the world.
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Quote (sylvannos @ Mar 24 2014 04:32am)
I find your lack of critical thinking skills disturbing. Of the 20% of the Native American population that survived disease, half died in conflicts with Europeans. That would have been like the Russians deciding to invade western Europe during the Black Death and killing off another 100 million people in wars and ethnic cleansing.



How convenient. Ignore history when it doesn't align with your arguments and worldview.

China is a piss-poor example. That same country was defeated by a smaller nation later on after it had unified, known as Japan. I suppose the Irish and Scottish are genetically inferior to the English because they couldn't 2v1 IRL? Or that Romans are the greatest race of men on earth, since their tiny city conquered everything from North Africa to the British Isles?

Shit, the only reason there is still an England today is because a hurricane decided it'd be a good idea to wipe out the Spanish armada. Are the Spaniards genetically inferior for not surviving a force of nature?

Your questions were answered simply and easily in the first few pages. Guns, germs, and steel are why Europeans were able to enslave or colonize much of the world.


Spaniards are technically white caucasians.
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Quote (PixileDust @ Mar 22 2014 06:46pm)
Obviously, the biggest factor in the genocide of Native Americans was disease. However, we have no idea what would have happened if disease had not been a factor.

Therefore, Native Americans should be excluded from the conversation.

Lets focus on other cultures, such as China.

China's economy was single handedly devastated by a small island country known as Britain that had a fraction of China's population. Explain that.


You can't ignore disease. The only world where disease isn't a factor is an imaginary one. We know exactly what would have happened had disease not been a factor. This is because there was another continent, with a similar population, yet much closer to Europe that was unable to be colonized for hundreds of years later. That continent is of course Africa, where European dominance did not happen until the late 1800s, and dominance was never as complete as it was in the Americas.

China was devastated because Britain didn't have to fight much on land. It helped they had India to supply troops and supplies. The pendulum of military technology had swung to Europe because China failed to overcome governance issues that were prevalent for centuries.

Japan handily beat a white country shortly after China was devastated by Western countries.
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Mar 24 2014 03:53pm
why do you equate skin color with wealth?

surely you've been cultured enough to realize that there are more factors for success than simply the color of your skin. :(
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Mar 24 2014 05:36pm
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why do you equate skin color with wealth?

surely you've been cultured enough to realize that there are more factors for success than simply the color of your skin.  :(


He doesn't choose to equate skin color with wealth, it's a fact that skin color correlates with wealth.
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