your gear is sick tboner, that amu and gloves and ring ... wow. But if i had your budget and items id still try go for 8-9 lifesteal, 10 tps breakpoint and -hota cost on soj so i can play around with the overpower slot, use rend or hota instead of it when i feel like. or just to be more flexible with builds, various passive choices etc

mm ive found around 6% is just fine

im after a new MH with higher raw dmg and 200+str and crit+socket ofc..

looking to spend a lot if i find the right one

This post was edited by Tboner on Nov 12 2012 07:29pm

Just wanted to give you an update Tboner. This build has been amazing. I'm already farming MP4 at a very fast pace. Right now I'm been practicing keeping my frenzy up and I'm getting the hang of it. Thanks again!

Hiho, I've got one question. With my gear, 34 ias on items and my Echoing Fury I should reach 23 Ticks and with WOTB 26 Ticks. As offhand I use a Mighty Weapon with 1,3 aps. Would my tickrate/damage change if I would replace the Mighty Weapon with a dagger? Or is it useless? Here is my barb: http://eu.battle.net/d3/de/profile/Sven-1755/hero/6528048

This post was edited by TCAvenger on Nov 14 2012 11:11am

So physical damage which you marked "Black" on a weapon is useless but elemental dam not?

This post was edited by TCAvenger on Nov 14 2012 03:53pm

physical dmg is not useless at all! Black dmg weapons can get more dps than ele ones usually!

What he means is that only physical aka black dmg is boosted by soj 5-6% dmg (NOT dmg to elites, that applies to both black and ele dmg as well), which is not such a big deal that 5-6%, I think tboner is trying to help but further confusing new ppl in a way. (Also it is a known bug and blizzard are planning to fix it in the next patch, so definitely dont worry too much abt black or ele dmg, just choose highest dps for mh, as the effect is temporary and isnt gamebreaking anyway)

and for players who dont have soj they surely neednt worry abt it, so you just always pick the highest dps for mainhand anyway.



ef 1.51 x 1.74 = 2.62 aps = 2.50001-2.85714 aps - 7 frames per tick - 8.57 ticks per second - 26 ticks
mw 1.51 x 1.74 = 2.62 aps = 2.50001-2.85714 aps - 7 frames per tick - 8.57 ticks per second - 26 ticks
dagger 1.71 x 1.74 = 2.97 aps = 2.85715-3.33333 aps - 6 frames per tick - 10.0 ticks per second - 30 ticks

your average tickrate would go up 2 ticks / 0.71tps ... I personally think its worth it, tboner might have a different opinion. Definitely dont change it unless the dagger has better stats too.

This post was edited by markilbaldacchino on Nov 14 2012 04:21pm

Thanks man, this post helped me a lot.

great to hear



Yes u would go up a breakpoint on OH side, not MH side, but ideally EF should be your OH but if you use it as MH then yea sure dagger OH is awesome

EF = 1.45 aps (if +.25aps on it and no ias) * 1 + (.34(ias from gear) + .15(Dual wield bonus) + .25(WOTB ias)) = 1.45 * 1.74 = 2.523 aps in wotb ( 26ticks )

OH = (1.5[dagger]+.25) = 1.75aps base * 1.74 = 3.045 aps = 30 ticks

(1.4[sword]+.25) = 1.65 base * 1.74 = 2.871 = 30 ticks

soo.. sword (only if +.25 aps EF) or dagger would work as OH and still bump u up a bp on that side.. giving u avg of 28ticks per nado



hmm where did u get that? Black dmg will get boosted by %elem dmg and generally black dps weapons are higher in dps.. so black is ideal

This post was edited by Tboner on Nov 14 2012 06:28pm

technically since he has 0.21 not 0.25 on his ef mh, a sword would reach 1.61 x 1.74 = 2.8014 aps and still be at 8.5 tps

yes i know u hate my guts for butting in always, but sword will leave him at the same state he is in, just saying, only dagger will upgrade him (or sword with a +0.25 echo)

Great topic