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May 21 2012 11:58am
Quote (BardOfXiix @ May 21 2012 12:51pm)
I think you just mean Bush #1.  Dubayah was definitely not a mainstream R.


No he wasn't but during his first four years he had some opposition in the party, namely McCain before he drank the kool-aid.

Bush was also liberal in a few ways....NCLB was a huge redistribution of wealth from affluent schools into poor schools...it just had some flawed concepts.

Now the last of the old school true republicans are being voted out in primaries by tea party people and their irrational exuberance and the party is circling the drain...

Democrats are moving more to the middle. In a few election cycles it will be middle vs. far right. As usual liberals will have nobody to vote for lol.

Quote (TopherJohn @ May 21 2012 12:54pm)
Agreed, but I still find the Republican party to be more in-line with my beliefs than the Democratic party.

And *no one* is bipartisan. It's like saying you are completely without prejudice, it's an impossibility.
I'm not saying these guys are, I haven't read any of their previous works. I'm open to both parties, but until Democrats can get their shit together fiscally they are unsustainable to me.


Bipartisan means the resolution/conclusion was produced by a consensus of individuals that are ideologically from the left and right.

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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ May 21 2012 01:45pm)
Those damned biased liberals from the American Enterprise Institute.  Grr.  :(


If you look at the worst from both parties, you'll obviously get the same result, neurotic individuals beyond compromise.

The fact that they only focus on the republican side isn't suspicious in the least?

Quote (Skinned @ May 21 2012 01:50pm)
That's the thing....the study was unbiased and bipartisan.  Not just Bi-curious-partisan, full blown bipartisan!


Chosen and interpreted by a liberal-leaning news source. Classic information control

I'll agree that the big republican voting bases have ulterior motives, but that's no different in Democratic bases
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Quote (EndlessSky @ May 21 2012 12:59pm)
If you look at the worst from both parties, you'll obviously get the same result, neurotic individuals beyond compromise.

The fact that they only focus on the republican side isn't suspicious in the least?



Chosen and interpreted by a liberal-leaning news source. Classic information control

I'll agree that the big republican voting bases have ulterior motives, but that's no different in Democratic bases


Not really because many of them are republicans. If current republican leadership is the problem then why not call a spade a spade?

Quote (EndlessSky @ May 21 2012 12:59pm)
If you look at the worst from both parties, you'll obviously get the same result, neurotic individuals beyond compromise.

The fact that they only focus on the republican side isn't suspicious in the least?



Chosen and interpreted by a liberal-leaning news source. Classic information control

I'll agree that the big republican voting bases have ulterior motives, but that's no different in Democratic bases


American Enterprise Institute? or Brookings Institution? Brookings is liberal and they don't hide it.

Or are you attacking the messenger in CNN? Why not attack me and say I'm a liberal leaning poster, it would discredit the study just as much.

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May 21 2012 12:03pm
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Bipartisan means the resolution/conclusion was produced by a consensus of individuals that are ideologically from the left and right.


Not bipartisan, I meant unbiased. I disagree that Democrats are moving towards the middle, if anything I think that both parties are being tugged (and pushed by the media) to their respective extremes.
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May 21 2012 12:04pm
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Not bipartisan, I meant unbiased. I disagree that Democrats are moving towards the middle, if anything I think that both parties are being tugged (and pushed by the media) to their respective extremes.


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Quote (Skinned @ May 21 2012 12:38pm)
It is impossible to pass anything with the renegades in congress.  And 40 years of Democrat extremism?  Like what?  Social security?  Medicare?  Military Industrial Complex?  Surely you can't say that is Democrat extremism as the Republicans are just as responsible.  You act as if the Republican party has always had the retarded litmus tests.  Intellectual sincerity please.


I'm only too happy to hold Republicans responsible too. Like Medicare part D, and doubling the money spent on the E.D. under W. Bush. That's why I am now engaging the Paul campaign, so that by helping take control of the party apparatus in my state, I can see to it that bad Republicans go away in primary elections. Why do you think you're seeing national news about long-serving Republicans biting the bullet in primaries? Because we're cleaning the house. By next election, my own US Representative should be added to the growing list of "conservatives" that find themselves on the outside looking in, because they sign off on things like PIPA, CISPA, or any other acronym for internet censorship, not to mention NDAA, various farm bills which are nothing more than corporate welfare for agri-business, etc.

Now go clean your own house.
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May 21 2012 12:08pm
Quote (Santara @ May 21 2012 01:05pm)
I'm only too happy to hold Republicans responsible too. Like Medicare part D, and doubling the money spent on the E.D. under W. Bush. That's why I am now engaging the Paul campaign, so that by helping take control of the party apparatus in my state, I can see to it that bad Republicans go away in primary elections. Why do you think you're seeing national news about long-serving Republicans biting the bullet in primaries? Because we're cleaning the house. By next election, my own US Representative should be added to the growing list of "conservatives" that find themselves on the outside looking in, because they sign off on things like PIPA, CISPA, or any other acronym for internet censorship, not to mention NDAA, various farm bills which are nothing more than corporate welfare for agri-business, etc.

Now go clean your own house.


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May 21 2012 12:09pm
Quote (Santara @ May 21 2012 02:05pm)
I'm only too happy to hold Republicans responsible too. Like Medicare part D, and doubling the money spent on the E.D. under W. Bush. That's why I am now engaging the Paul campaign, so that by helping take control of the party apparatus in my state, I can see to it that bad Republicans go away in primary elections. Why do you think you're seeing national news about long-serving Republicans biting the bullet in primaries? Because we're cleaning the house. By next election, my own US Representative should be added to the growing list of "conservatives" that find themselves on the outside looking in, because they sign off on things like PIPA, CISPA, or any other acronym for internet censorship, not to mention NDAA, various farm bills which are nothing more than corporate welfare for agri-business, etc.

Now go clean your own house.


+1

Do you want a replacement for the GOP or just a shift in ideology? I find myself stuck between the two. :(
Replace the GOP will never happen in a two party system, you'll just guarantee victories for the Democratic party. A shift in ideology will be less effective, but more *do able*.

Both are pretty shitty imo.



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Quote (TopherJohn @ May 21 2012 01:09pm)
+1

Do you want a replacement for the GOP or just a shift in ideology? I find myself stuck between the two. :(
Replace the GOP will never happen in a two party system, you'll just guarantee victories for the Democratic party. A shift in ideology will be less effective, but more *do able*.

Both are pretty shitty imo.


We need to get back to core principles. Self-responsibility, private property, civil liberties and the like. A new party would be political suicide, that's why we need to retake our own party from the Vichy Republicans.
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