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May 21 2012 12:22pm
Quote (Santara @ May 21 2012 02:16pm)
We need to get back to core principles. Self-responsibility, private property, civil liberties and the like. A new party would be political suicide, that's why we need to retake our own party from the Vichy Republicans.


Devil's advocate:
You're the republican extremest that the article is talking about. How are your values different from the current day Republicans? Same question but with Democrats?

(Not grilling/flaming, just looking for discussion.)
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May 21 2012 12:27pm


make sure you vote these people like VP into office Bush worked for them or atleast made money from oil.
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May 21 2012 12:58pm
Stopped @ CNN.
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Devil's advocate:
You're the republican extremest that the article is talking about. How are your values different from the current day Republicans? Same question but with Democrats?

(Not grilling/flaming, just looking for discussion.)


I support phasing out Social Security for the ponzi scheme it is. I support deregulation of the healthcare sector, so that we can see competition based on price. This includes the straight-jacket on doctor supply by accreditation processes (AMA/medical schools), the straight-jacket on drug supply by the FDA, the illegality of making claims of healthy benefits of nutritional supplements (and on and on). End the Fed. Just for starters.
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May 21 2012 01:25pm
Quote (Skinned @ May 21 2012 10:58am)
No he wasn't but during his first four years he had some opposition in the party, namely McCain before he drank the kool-aid.

Bush was also liberal in a few ways....NCLB was a huge redistribution of wealth from affluent schools into poor schools...it just had some flawed concepts.

Now the last of the old school true republicans are being voted out in primaries by tea party people and their irrational exuberance and the party is circling the drain...

Democrats are moving more to the middle. In a few election cycles it will be middle vs. far right.  As usual liberals will have nobody to vote for lol.



Bipartisan means the resolution/conclusion was produced by a consensus of individuals that are ideologically from the left and right.


That's how I feel this year...

Quote (Santara @ May 21 2012 11:16am)
We need to get back to core principles. Self-responsibility, private property, civil liberties and the like. A new party would be political suicide, that's why we need to retake our own party from the Vichy Republicans.


And fiscal responsibility. I can understand true Republican ideals like this.

Quote (TopherJohn @ May 21 2012 11:22am)
Devil's advocate:
You're the republican extremest that the article is talking about. How are your values different from the current day Republicans? Same question but with Democrats?

(Not grilling/flaming, just looking for discussion.)


Because I'm actually a liberal rather than a moderate. Unlike oh, most of the Democratic candidates. :/
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And fiscal responsibility.  I can understand true Republican ideals like this.


Whoops. That's kind of my big one, lol.
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May 21 2012 01:35pm
Quote (Santara @ May 21 2012 12:27pm)
Whoops. That's kind of my big one, lol.


I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.

But seriously if a Republican candidate came out with those policies and took the primary with magic, I could support such a candidate over Obama.
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May 21 2012 01:54pm
"Which means the solution to the problems so astutely diagnosed by Mann and Ornstein must ultimately be found outside the American political system -- and will not be solved until America's rich and America's elderly become either less fearful or more generous."

I assume this is the author's opinion, he's editorializing and using the work of scholars as a vehicle to advance his own agenda.
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May 21 2012 02:04pm
I found this quote from the article rather revealing.

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"When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country's challenges."


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May 21 2012 02:06pm
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I found this quote from the article rather revealing.


I didn't. It seems pretty obvious. What did you think was so revealing?
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