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Apr 10 2012 10:20am
Even with wsg you can't really go toe-to-toe with melee chars. Yes you can escape their dodgelock but that doesn't help if you can't land a hit either
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Apr 10 2012 10:25am
Quote (freddykreuger666 @ Apr 10 2012 11:20am)
Even with wsg you can't really go toe-to-toe with melee chars. Yes you can escape their dodgelock but that doesn't help if you can't land a hit either


You can go toe to toe with a melee character. The only character you can't go toe to toe with on this build is a smiter.
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Apr 10 2012 11:14am
The stupidity..
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Apr 10 2012 11:33am
Quote (CraZeeY @ Apr 10 2012 11:53am)
You do know that once you're dodge-locked you can't wsg out of it.. you're locked. You can however WSG before you get hit and thus keep from getting dodge-locked in the first place but that would result in you WSGing the entire match which means you won't attack.
Take a seat.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

According to this guy, there is no reason to ever WSG on a Bowazon!

Dude seriously, with all due respect, how many is going to take?





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Apr 10 2012 12:07pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 10 2012 06:33pm)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

According to this guy, there is no reason to ever WSG on a Bowazon!

Dude seriously, with all due respect, how many is going to take?


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Desynching, breaking fhr stuns and avoiding GETTING dodge-locked.
Nvm, you're American..
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Apr 10 2012 12:15pm
Quote (CraZeeY @ Apr 10 2012 02:07pm)
Desynching, breaking fhr stuns and avoiding GETTING dodge-locked.
Nvm, you're American..


You must be new

WSG does indeed escape Dodge locks

Hope on an East NL character and I'll gladly show you
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Apr 10 2012 12:18pm
Quote (CraZeeY @ 10 Apr 2012 18:34)
Every single matchup is rated as either "hard", "tedious" or "easy vs some hard vs some".
Hdin isn't a FPK char, when you stated that you showed us that you have no clue about PvP.
I'm one of EU's top Javazons, I know how Amazons work and this won't.



You do know that the main reason smiters slam Amazons is because they dodge-lock you, right? I can no other than think that zealers will slam this char to oblivion.


smiters don't necessarily slam good zons. a good smiter shoul be able to kill a zon most of the time but most smiters just aren't that good (note: i'm not talking about javazons, they obviously lose vs smiters but that's not because of getting dodgelocked, it's because you need to be close to deal damage and smiter is just better at close range)

you don't really get locked by dodges anyway, you might dodge a few times (or get hit) but you can get away after that by wsging. if you try to tele on a javazon then sure you can get dodge/block/fhr/slow tele locked but that's not really the same
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Apr 10 2012 12:31pm
Quote (tudey @ Apr 10 2012 07:18pm)
smiters don't necessarily slam good zons. a good smiter shoul be able to kill a zon most of the time but most smiters just aren't that good (note: i'm not talking about javazons, they obviously lose vs smiters but that's not because of getting dodgelocked, it's because you need to be close to deal damage and smiter is just better at close range)

you don't really get locked by dodges anyway, you might dodge a few times (or get hit) but you can get away after that by wsging. if you try to tele on a javazon then sure you can get dodge/block/fhr/slow tele locked but that's not really the same


Well in a match with two equally skilled players, one Amazon (doesn't matter which) and one Smiter, the Smiter will win 98-99% of the duels.
If the Smiter doesn't use shitloads of res items and/or haven't skilled in light res aura and the Javazon doesn't get dodge-locked the Javazon will win (due to mass dmg) but in 90%+ of the time that is not the case.
Dodge, Avoid and Evade skills are indeed useful but in a melee match they'll fuck you up unless you're lucky. That is the reason because most of the Java vs Java leagues on East/West have non-d/a/e Javas (just for an example).
You do get "locked" because the stuff that you're doing (wsg/attacking/teleing) doesn't work but if you do run/walk you will have gained quite a distance when you're "unlocked".

This post was edited by CraZeeY on Apr 10 2012 12:31pm
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Quote (CraZeeY @ 10 Apr 2012 21:31)
Well in a match with two equally skilled players, one Amazon (doesn't matter which) and one Smiter, the Smiter will win 98-99% of the duels.
If the Smiter doesn't use shitloads of res items and/or haven't skilled in light res aura and the Javazon doesn't get dodge-locked the Javazon will win (due to mass dmg) but in 90%+ of the time that is not the case.
Dodge, Avoid and Evade skills are indeed useful but in a melee match they'll fuck you up unless you're lucky. That is the reason because most of the Java vs Java leagues on East/West have non-d/a/e Javas (just for an example).
You do get "locked" because the stuff that you're doing (wsg/attacking/teleing) doesn't work but if you do run/walk you will have gained quite a distance when you're "unlocked".


meh not 98-99% at all, bow can walk away and bolt/fury with 75% block and dodges and it works pretty well vs most smiters

smiter wins because of uninterruptable attack that stuns and does more damage than cs vs tg (you don't need light res aura or mass res items for anything, javas don't have that much -res), not because java would get dodge locked

again bowas are different than javas, they move by wsging and don't really get dodge locked too easily. javas sort of might but they're shit at gm duels anyway


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Apr 10 2012 01:24pm
omg i dunno why people still try to revolutionize pvp arena with some ideas which are good ONLY IN THEORY-_-

99,999999999999999999% of great ideas has already been invented so if such bearzon havent appeared before in some top l337 league means she wasnt worth it and recent patches hasnt changed that...


and u luv to read those strategy sections where i see stories which can easly be appliead to battles from decent fantasy books ;DDD

yes its possible that u will find in game mfdin with 75fcr, 0 fhr, dr just from shako and enigma, randomly teleporting and u will kill him but that doesnt make this char any better...


this migh be nice non-coockie cutting pvm build but for pvp u will need uber skillz, luck and crappy opponents to not to get frustrated because of constat deaths;O

This post was edited by mysz15 on Apr 10 2012 01:25pm
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