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Dec 31 2010 12:43pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Dec 31 2010 06:39pm)
Being willing to accept that war unfortunately will lead to innocents dying is not the same as intentionally targeting innocents in order to save your ass, sorry.  :(


What is it about "war" that makes people discount the mass slaughter and destruction that takes place?

Why do people find it acceptable, or in some instances, noble?


America is infinitely worse than Assange. Assange is finally putting THE MAIN FUCKING AGGRESSOR in the spotlight for the EVILS that it commits. And we are pointing fingers at Assange?

America is the mass murderer. America is the aggressor. America is the one that puts people's lives in danger, and willfully and knowingly slaughters hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people.

Assange is a hero.

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Dec 31 2010 12:44pm
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Intentions and potential, of course.  It's possible that if you do everything right, you won't kill any civilians, in the case of war.  If Assange does everything right, innocent people die, guaranteed. 

Very, very different.


Who gives a fuck about intentions? The important thing is what actually happens. Assange has yet to cause the deaths of innocents, America has. Just because we pretend that we are morally superior doesn't mean we are.
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Dec 31 2010 12:46pm
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I totally love the leaking thing.  I hate the fact that he would put innocent people at risk just to protect his own ass.


He could be bluffing. I'm not sure logistically how these documents would be released upon his death, unless it is as simple as someone on the outside who would release them, but that leaves a lot of margin for nothing actually happening.
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Dec 31 2010 12:46pm
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Who gives a fuck about intentions?  The important thing is what actually happens.  Assange has yet to cause the deaths of innocents, America has.  Just because we pretend that we are morally superior doesn't mean we are.


This. It's nothing short of propaganda to believe we are superior and noble and everyone else is a rat bastard sub humanoid.

When we slaughter, we do it to free the enslaved brown people. When other people kill, they are savages. Typical propaganda rhetoric.
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Dec 31 2010 12:48pm
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Who gives a fuck about intentions?  The important thing is what actually happens.  Assange has yet to cause the deaths of innocents, America has.  Just because we pretend that we are morally superior doesn't mean we are.


Intentions matter a hell of a lot, especially when you factor in what would have happened if we didn't go into Afghanistan. Innocents would have died either way.

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What is it about "war" that makes people discount the mass slaughter and destruction that takes place? 

Why do people find it acceptable, or in some instances, noble?


America is infinitely worse than Assange.  Assange is finally putting THE MAIN FUCKING AGGRESSOR in the spotlight for the EVILS that it commits.  And we are pointing fingers at Assange? 

America is the mass murderer.  America is the aggressor.  America is the one that puts people's lives in danger, and willfully and knowingly slaughters hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. 

Assange is a hero.


Because of the fact that war is sometimes necessary, of course.

qq moar plz.
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Dec 31 2010 12:49pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Dec 31 2010 01:48pm)
Intentions matter a hell of a lot, especially when you factor in what would have happened if we didn't go into Afghanistan.  Innocents would have died either way. 


Yep, hundreds of thousands of innocents would be killed if we didn't invade Afghanistan. :rolleyes:
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Dec 31 2010 12:52pm
Quote (IceMage @ 31 Dec 2010 13:49)
Yep, hundreds of thousands of innocents would be killed if we didn't invade Afghanistan.  :rolleyes:


lol, hundreds of thousands of innocents have definitely died in Afghanistan, you caught me. :(
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Dec 31 2010 01:03pm
I just want to say again - this pronouncement will only hurt Julian and Wikileaks. The redaction process and protection of innocent people while giving information to the public has been a vital part of the organization, and if that is lost then all of the Fox News commentators who are calling for Assange's assassination become almost correct in their assertions about him, and by proxy Wikileaks.

Julian needs to come out in public and make sure everyone knows he won't be leaking this info without making sure innocent bystanders are being protected. As it stands, Wikileaks is still a great thing, but this threat is a very bad and irresponsible thing.
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Dec 31 2010 01:17pm
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I just want to say again - this pronouncement will only hurt Julian and Wikileaks. The redaction process and protection of innocent people while giving information to the public has been a vital part of the organization, and if that is lost then all of the Fox News commentators who are calling for Assange's assassination become almost correct in their assertions about him, and by proxy Wikileaks.

Julian needs to come out in public and make sure everyone knows he won't be leaking this info without making sure innocent bystanders are being protected. As it stands, Wikileaks is still a great thing, but this threat is a very bad and irresponsible thing.


Ink's on a first name basis with Assange :rofl:

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Dec 31 2010 01:25pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 31 2010 12:04pm)
He's not endangering millions, he's endangering some Arab traitors who help America.  There is no proof that these leaks endanger us anymore than we already are endangered.


Arab traitors!? Seriously? How are they traitors if they're just trying to enlist the aid of a more powerful nation to bring stability to their region? Al-Qaeda can really be a bunch of thugs sometimes, moreso than the US. Especially since the US doesn't operate like a fucking street gang.

And at least some of these leaks do endanger us. Like the one that says "Hey, here are all the critical targets that will hurt the US! If you destroy these, bunches of people will be put in danger!"



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