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Aug 5 2010 05:41am
Quote (Half-Naked @ Aug 4 2010 04:10pm)
Although I wouldn't count out the 496 as a great choice for his needs, the Ford 7.3  or a Duramax would get better mileage, with the ability to haul more, and have more longevity in the long run.

It's all up to personal preference I suppose, most people are more comfortable working with gas engines, whereas i'm a heavy diesel mechanic and i'm very confident in my knowledge of them.

Parts costs always will be in favor of the gas engine, and the 8.1 is a monster, but in terms of longevity and reliablity under working conditions, the diesel will always win.


I have an 02 2500HD with the 8.1L/Allison/3.73 gear combo. If he doesn't plan on towing 12,000lb+ loads all the time he will never put a strain on it. I've had 2 pallets of granite landscaping rock in the back of it and the suspension took it like a champ. The engine is awesome, and the trans is even better. Fuel economy is the only downside. I get 8mpg city and 12 highway empty. Pulling a 15,000lb trackhoe on a flatbed I got 11 highway. It never pops out of overdrive climbing rolling hills above 70mph. The transmission makes the truck when it comes to towing and hauling. The Allison 1000 is a kickass unit.


In all reality fuel costs of a stock 02-04 Dmax will be only slightly better than the 8.1. Diesel is much more expensive than 87oct and the economy isn't that much different. Another thing to look at is how cheap you can get one of the big block trucks. When fuel prices went up their value absolutely dropped. Diesels of the same year are much more expensive. If it's going to be used for work and get beat up hauling (just like mine did after it became a work truck) I wouldn't want to pay an extra 5 grand just for the sake of having a diesel.


If it was a personal truck it would be a different story.
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Aug 5 2010 08:21am
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Could make all 3 of the big name diesels run into the high 11's - low 12's easily with a proper tune and a whole bunch of nitrous injection, for under 1000 bucks.


Haha... high 11's or 12's?

Your out of your mind.

A tune will only do so much, to really bring some power out with a tune you need larger injectors(with the exception of ford since their injectors are rather large stock), and beyond that you can only make use of so much of that fuel with a stock turbo.

to run 11's/12's you need much more than 1k.

Never mind that you'd need a built tranny to hold that power and make it last for a decent amount of time(if its an automatic obviously).
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Aug 5 2010 10:45am
Quote (FMX_89 @ Aug 5 2010 06:41am)
I have an 02 2500HD with the 8.1L/Allison/3.73 gear combo.  If he doesn't plan on towing 12,000lb+ loads all the time he will never put a strain on it.  I've had 2 pallets of granite landscaping rock in the back of it and the suspension took it like a champ.  The engine is awesome, and the trans is even better.  Fuel economy is the only downside.  I get 8mpg city and 12 highway empty.  Pulling a 15,000lb trackhoe on a flatbed I got 11 highway.  It never pops out of overdrive climbing rolling hills above 70mph.  The transmission makes the truck when it comes to towing and hauling.  The Allison 1000 is a kickass unit.


In all reality fuel costs of a stock 02-04 Dmax will be only slightly better than the 8.1. Diesel is much more expensive than 87oct and the economy isn't that much different.  Another thing to look at is how cheap you can get one of the big block trucks.  When fuel prices went up their value absolutely dropped.  Diesels of the same year are much more expensive.  If it's going to be used for work and get beat up hauling (just like mine did after it became a work truck) I wouldn't want to pay an extra 5 grand just for the sake of having a diesel.


If it was a personal truck it would be a different story.


while it'll primarily be a work truck, I will also be using it for fun on weekends
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Aug 5 2010 03:08pm
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Haha... high 11's or 12's?

Your out of your mind.

A tune will only do so much, to really bring some power out with a tune you need larger injectors(with the exception of ford since their injectors are rather large stock), and beyond that you can only make use of so much of that fuel with a stock turbo.

to run 11's/12's you need much more than 1k.

Never mind that you'd need a built tranny to hold that power and make it last for a decent amount of time(if its an automatic obviously).


I never said anything about running those time reliably, but with a shitload of N20 injection and a proper tune, any of these trucks are capable of running 11's-12's with the right setup. (Not a freakin' 10,000lb crewcab dually)

I'm a diesel mechanic, so calling me out will only end up kicking you in the ass.

There are people making over 550 horses (Closer to 600) and 1100 lb/ft on a proper tune and nitrous in the dmax's... Stock turbo, stock injectors, stock internals.

A spartan tuned 6.4 with nitrous will EASILY run into the 11's with nothing more than exhaust/airbox modification.

Call me out and i'll sit you down.



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Aug 5 2010 04:08pm
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The 6.0's made after the summer of 05 are great trucks. The 6.4 is also an amazing motor, people just put it down because it sucks on fuel... What other truck can you put under a grand into and run 13's in the 1/4'th with a dually?


holy hell you're an idiot.


the 6.4L TT are the worst engine powerstroke has ever put out. have you ever owned one? the one in my F-550 i drove for work was in the shop almost every three weeks with some problem.

but you wont run a 13 with under a grand in those 6.0 or 6.4's. sorry
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Aug 5 2010 05:11pm
Quote (pbtbreakingpoint @ Aug 4 2010 07:16pm)
The 6.0's made after the summer of 05 are great trucks. The 6.4 is also an amazing motor, people just put it down because it sucks on fuel... What other truck can you put under a grand into and run 13's in the 1/4'th with a dually?


A 98 cummins 12v with less then 20 bucks....

Go to the hardware store. Buy a screwdriver and some washers.

BAM

Crank the pump.
4000 GSK Rev limiter.

hello 13's
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Aug 6 2010 12:06pm
Quote (Half-Naked @ Aug 4 2010 01:10pm)
Although I wouldn't count out the 496 as a great choice for his needs, the Ford 7.3  or a Duramax would get better mileage, with the ability to haul more, and have more longevity in the long run.

It's all up to personal preference I suppose, most people are more comfortable working with gas engines, whereas i'm a heavy diesel mechanic and i'm very confident in my knowledge of them.

Parts costs always will be in favor of the gas engine, and the 8.1 is a monster, but in terms of longevity and reliablity under working conditions, the diesel will always win.


gas mileage sure and maybe on the longevity but the towing capacity is no greater

those big blocks put out a shit ton of torque and they have more of it to offer in second gear so when you are pulling that hill you aren't stuck doing 45 like all the diesels

Quote (JDH @ Aug 4 2010 06:38pm)
yeah who wants a more reliable motor that pulls loads easier right? you act like the turbo might blow up at any time lol.


you are a fucking idiot the 8.1s are known to be very reliable and they can tow just as much as any of the diesels learn to google noob

This post was edited by Monster666 on Aug 6 2010 12:07pm
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Quote (HookedOnLSD @ Aug 5 2010 05:08pm)
holy hell you're an idiot.


the 6.4L TT are the worst engine powerstroke has ever put out. have you ever owned one? the one in my F-550 i drove for work was in the shop almost every three weeks with some problem.

but you wont run a 13 with under a grand in those 6.0 or 6.4's. sorry


my uncle owns a 6.4 and a guy I work with owns a 6.4, neither have had one bit of trouble with them.

6.4's easily run a 13 1/4'th with a 275 spartan, exhaust, and intake.

I never said anything about a 6.0 running those times for under a grand.
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Aug 6 2010 11:41pm
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my uncle owns a 6.4 and a guy I work with owns a 6.4, neither have had one bit of trouble with them.

6.4's easily run a 13 1/4'th with a 275 spartan, exhaust, and intake.

I never said anything about a 6.0 running those times for under a grand.


your uncle must not use it as a truck then.


the 6.4L are a total fail man. if they didnt fuck up so bad why would ford replace them so fast? you wont hit 13's with the 6.4TT... you actually have a better shot at making a 6.0 single turbo run faster than the 6.4POS.
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Aug 7 2010 09:18am
Quote (HookedOnLSD @ Aug 7 2010 12:41am)
your uncle must not use it as a truck then.


the 6.4L are a total fail man. if they didnt fuck up so bad why would ford replace them so fast? you wont hit 13's with the 6.4TT... you actually have a better shot at making a 6.0 single turbo run faster than the 6.4POS.


If your going to be that ignorant about it, just go to youtube and find a 6.4 on the 1/4'th, there is a dually running 13.7's with the mods I listed.
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