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#61
Dec 17 2009 07:12pm
Quote (Atroce @ 26 Sep 2009 09:49)

probably the best one at jsp


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#62
Dec 17 2009 09:24pm
Quote (Prospero @ 17 Dec 2009 18:58)
Dunno if this been asked before, but why razortail instead of tg ?
Just bcoz of pierce vs str vita dmg light abs ?
Explenation I demand >(

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And ROTFL at author's comment about Phoenix.
IMO at pvm especialy for cs there is no need to have MB especialy with this shield.


It's only about pierce. The increase in damage is so much worh it. I just dislike Phoenix because it offers nothing worthy but Redemption for the build, but you could consider using it as a switch shield I guess, as some people suggested.


Quote (NutterNZ @ 17 Dec 2009 19:31)
JayPee

Why do you suggest getting max block for a pvm javzon? wouldnt a 20/20 monarch be far better. More damage and - % res helps defeat the munes your merc infinity breaks faster
Wouldnt the block +fhr frames+dodge = bad for you ,keeping your zon locked into one spot since your only escape is walking and without walk you block = zero (with coh) in a big group of monsters this can be bad.

Also i find enigma to be the far better choice in armour just because of its mobility. And also the fact that you have to rely on others to do things like tele to baal etc with CoH is annoying.


I suggested both, depending on the shield, it is at your discretion.


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Dec 17 2009 11:37pm
Quote (JayPee @ 18 Dec 2009 04:24)
It's only about pierce.  The increase in damage is so much worh it.  I just dislike Phoenix because it offers nothing worthy but Redemption for the build, but you could consider using it as a switch shield I guess, as some people suggested.

What about %ED, 50 Life, max resi and sorb ? Whats there to dislike ? You wont have to drink pots. I would consider that #1 chaos run shield not a switch shield.
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Dec 17 2009 11:39pm
Quote (Prospero @ 18 Dec 2009 00:37)
What about %ED, 50 Life, max resi and sorb ? Whats there to dislike ? You wont have to drink pots. I would consider that #1 chaos run shield not a switch shield.


Well the build isn't strictly intended for Chaos.

I just thought that there were better shields for damage and better shields for max block.
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#65
Dec 17 2009 11:43pm
Quote (Prospero @ Dec 18 2009 08:37am)
What about %ED, 50 Life, max resi and sorb ? Whats there to dislike ? You wont have to drink pots. I would consider that #1 chaos run shield not a switch shield.


What about %ED? You actually count on phy damage to kill anything?
50 life = small add, nothing to consider in comparison.
You'd have to drink a mana pot once in a while. Big deal.
Spirit is better than Phoenix.
No need for +max resistance in PvM. Please..
Sorb in PvM? Stopped reading there..

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Dec 17 2009 11:49pm
Quote (Synonym @ 18 Dec 2009 06:43)
What about %ED? You actually count on phy damage to kill anything?
50 life = small add, nothing to consider in comparison.
You'd have to drink a mana pot once in a while. Big deal.
Spirit is better than Phoenix.
No need for +max resistance in PvM. Please..
Sorb in PvM? Stopped reading there..


Not like I care about your opinion, but fire sorb vs venom lords and no I dont count ed to kill anything just saying its there.

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Dec 18 2009 12:02am
Quote (Prospero @ Dec 18 2009 08:49am)
Not like I care about your opinion, but fire sorb vs venom lords and no I dont count ed to kill anything just saying its there.


Not caring about my opinion? I'm hurt :( owait..
Fire sorb vs venom lords? If you need that you clearly don't have decent res, but sorbing requires max res for it to procc, which you wouldn't need if you did have max res to begin with....
Just saying it's there to make a point that you have no point is fail, m8.
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Dec 18 2009 04:52am
Quote (Synonym @ Dec 18 2009 06:02am)
Not caring about my opinion? I'm hurt :( owait..
Fire sorb vs venom lords? If you need that you clearly don't have decent res, but sorbing requires max res for it to procc, which you wouldn't need if you did have max res to begin with....
Just saying it's there to make a point that you have no point is fail, m8.


I dont think max res is required for absorb to work..I tihnk it works extremely well on venom lords with bad res.

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#69
Dec 18 2009 05:39am
very nice guide!!! Good job mate!
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Dec 18 2009 06:09am
Quote (hue_two @ Dec 18 2009 01:52pm)
I dont think max res is required for absorb to work..I tihnk it works extremely well on venom lords with bad res.


In the case of % absorb, a mid % resist necessary to fully exploit the benefits. On the other hand , + xx absorb is best used when you have a high % resist.

Whilst having bad resists, it will do little to no effect.
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