Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ 3 Feb 2024 10:14)
that's the disconnect (or part where we don't agree on). if you try to quit or get disciplined, the worst is what a write up? the comparison is not the same at all, and that's a huge distinct difference
^SwamiVivekananda i feel you about the housing stuff it is pretty ridiculous. regarding your worldview, i also think a lot of that is from different perspectives on life. my mom worked for over 25 years for the state and she's enjoying a good pension and retirement. sadly, the newer people are not getting the same pension plans.
one of my buddies i worked with at home depot was a retired e-9 in the military. his body ran laps around all the new hires. in fact, a lot of the co-workers were retired people just bored out of their minds slinging boxes and sweating bullets. some were even in their 60s. saw the same at amazon.
you can either live life through a negative worldview thinking you're worse than the slaves that were tortured and hanged, or find joy in your physical work or shocker incoming: voluntary quit and go drive for fcking uber/dd if all else fails. there's really no excuse, and the comparisons to actual slavery sound like some /r/antiwork crap
Quote (InsaneBobb @ 3 Feb 2024 05:00)
Worse than slaves in many respects. A slave was provided food, housing, clothes, and medical care by their owner.. Education as well, though not what you think of as education. Real "education" is teaching people what they need to know to live a productive life. While some slaves were used as butlers, accountants, etc. the majority were physical laborers. Teaching physical laborers literacy or algebra would simply waste their time, and their owner's investment. While the occasional abuse of slaves has been made into a massive thing, the majority of slaves were not abused, and the worst abuses tended to be carried out by foremen who were themselves slaves.
Fast forward to 100 years ago: Slavery is "gone". But if you want a job, you work for a corporation. The corporation provides food, housing, clothes, and education. Transportation is limited, and you're paid in corporate scrip. Scrip cannot be used to purchase vehicles or horses, the company does not offer such. The scrip is not usable anywhere outside the company. Thing is, all your needs are met, but you have no "freedom" because you can't leave, as you have nothing of value outside your corporate bubble. So they outlawed it.
Fast forward to today: Amazon pays $20/hour for delivery drivers. Sounds great! Unfortunately, $42K a year, especially under current pricing, isn't enough for a home loan. What you run into is along these lines: You can't get a home loan, so you rent. Rent prices on the same exact places that were $400 a month in 2000 are currently $1600 a month or higher. Electric bills that were $30 a month in 2000 are now $150-300 a month. Food that was $0.50 a pound in 2000 is now $3/lb. Before it's all said and done, the $42K/year you think you're making that's really $25K/year after taxes is completely absorbed in rent, food, clothes, and transportation. You can quit your job any time you want, but you'll lose everything by doing so, unless you go get a job somewhere else, which'll pay approximately the same wages, and put you in roughly the same circumstances. It's called economic slavery.
Take it to the next level though, let's say you DO get a home loan. You spend the next 20 years paying it off, you're gold! Not particularly. That $400,000 property you just spent a third of your adult life, sacrificing your time, your body, and your health paying for? Doesn't really belong to you. Which becomes apparent every single year when tax season comes around and you have to pay $4000-$10,000 in property tax simply to exist on your own land. Like, you just spent the last 20 years in the meat grinder to have your own spot. Maybe all you want to do is farm a bit of your own food, raise a couple pigs and cows, and keep to yourself. You've had enough of consumerism and making other people money, you just want to settle down and do your own thing, opt out of the market. Thing is, how? It doesn't matter if your property generates income. You don't actually own it. If you fail to pay your annual rent to the government, they seize it. If you don't participate in the market, aka hope back in the meat grinder, you aren't earning the USD to pay it.
Our entire system is designed AS slavery. Just without the chains. And it's far worse today than it was under corporate scrip OR slavery, because the head slave owner is the Government themselves, who've enacted laws that FORCE the working class to continue worrking. With the "promise" that after the age of 65, you can finally hang up the towel, the up and coming slaves, the new generations will pay for your life while you relax, body and soul broken by the endless whip of wage slavery.
It's great!
Appreciate both of your responses thank you ^
for better explaining what I couldn't.
I agree with you on the fact that some of our parents who busted their ass working blue collar jobs who SAVED their money and were smart about EVERY financial decision could lead to a life where they can enjoy their retirement. My parents never made a lot of money combined. Maybe 60k-80k(late 80's/90s) and then (100K) since. They put all that money into the house we grew up in and luckily for them the house they bought in the late 90s for 220k is now worth 660k but my parents still don't own the house outright and when they sell it they will "make some money" but they did everything right and I know so many people(family friends) who make a lot of money now and it's not going to equate to the "financial opportunity" our parents had.
The whole slavery analogy can be summed up by none other then the Dali Llama.
The Dalai Lama, when asked what surprised him most about humanity, answered "Man! Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.”
Americans are simply the best slaves money can buy. We take on debt for shit we don't need. We are the top consumers on the planet. In terms of collateral the US government can use us "citizens" with our "SSN" and basically tell another country that they should invest in America because "our people" will buy anything and they'll even take out loans/etc. to try and afford something that they really can't.