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May 27 2018 08:12pm
fresh comments by Tommy's producer https://twitter.com/CaolanRob

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May 27 2018 08:24pm
Quote (HeLiCaL @ 28 May 2018 02:12)
fresh comments by Tommy's producer https://twitter.com/CaolanRob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtilwMzitPw


Couldn't give a shit. Tommy Robinson is a twat and is back behind bars where he belongs.
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May 27 2018 08:28pm
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Couldn't give a shit. Tommy Robinson is a twat and is back behind bars where he belongs.


k, how about Hillary Clinton, your honor?

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k, how about Hillary Clinton, your honor?

https://i.imgur.com/a0amMjA.jpg


Stay irrelevant Roseanne.
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May 28 2018 03:14pm
one thing about journalistic freedoms is the discretion of the law. Besides the US having a 1st amendment that would preclude any such law in the first place, one big difference is how we treat people even when they do violate the law, if it could be argued they're just exercising free speech. When Rachel Maddow published Trump's tax returns, she was blatantly violating a section of the privacy law for filings that make it a crime not only to disclose someone else's tax returns, but explicitly makes it illegal to publish them. But nobody ever prosecuted Maddow, and nobody wanted to, and if they had tried, she's win the case on 1st amendment grounds, so it would only help her as a martyr. The US constitution gives such a wide berth to free expression that it extends well past even the text of the law.

Here in this example, Tommy Robinson might have been in violation of the text of the law, which was itself an infringement on free expression. And he may have indeed broken the terms of his parole- thats also a bit in dispute given he was very intentionally attempting to edge around the fringes of what he was allowed. But the law has taken the further step of selectively applying it to him and not other journalists under similar circumstances- because of the content of his speech, lets not pretend otherwise. "At the discretion of the court". That discretion being used to make these trials secret, and that discretion used to lock up this guy, and that same discretion to put a media ban on the case of the guy violating the media ban.

The fact that this is being perpetrated lawfully is what makes it worse, not better.
Its orwellian, and it shows the deficiency of a bongland with no guaranteed freedom of expression.

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 28 2018 03:15pm
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one thing about journalistic freedoms is the discretion of the law. Besides the US having a 1st amendment that would preclude any such law in the first place, one big difference is how we treat people even when they do violate the law, if it could be argued they're just exercising free speech. When Rachel Maddow published Trump's tax returns, she was blatantly violating a section of the privacy law for filings that make it a crime not only to disclose someone else's tax returns, but explicitly makes it illegal to publish them. But nobody ever prosecuted Maddow, and nobody wanted to, and if they had tried, she's win the case on 1st amendment grounds, so it would only help her as a martyr. The US constitution gives such a wide berth to free expression that it extends well past even the text of the law.

Here in this example, Tommy Robinson might have been in violation of the text of the law, which was itself an infringement on free expression. And he may have indeed broken the terms of his parole- thats also a bit in dispute given he was very intentionally attempting to edge around the fringes of what he was allowed. But the law has taken the further step of selectively applying it to him and not other journalists under similar circumstances- because of the content of his speech, lets not pretend otherwise. "At the discretion of the court". That discretion being used to make these trials secret, and that discretion used to lock up this guy, and that same discretion to put a media ban on the case of the guy violating the media ban.

The fact that this is being perpetrated lawfully is what makes it worse, not better.
Its orwellian, and it shows the deficiency of a bongland with no guaranteed freedom of expression.


Bullshit.

As I said earlier - there's a reason why no other journos were hanging around outside the court harassing people going in and coming out.

The discretion is not being used to make the trial secret - people are allowed to go in and record the happenings within the trial (though not with a camera). Once the trial is over the 'secret trial' will be made public. There is also no media blackout on Tommy Robinson's arrest.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/28/tommy-robinson-arrested-7583101/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5777821/Tommy-Robinson-far-right-supporters-protest-Downing-Street-arrest.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-protest-downing-street-whitehall-free-latest-arrest-police-a8371616.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6376643/tommy-robinson-english-defence-league-edl-arrested-facebook-video-grooming-trial/


We have freedom of expression and Tommy could easily have voiced his opinion without fucking with the trial. No country has 'guaranteed' freedom of expression. It all depends on how, what, when and where you say the things you want to say. Even in America you can be arrested for inciting violence.

Fuck your first amendment. It isn't a catch all and even many of your own laws contradict it. You can't just say whatever you want, whenever you want. There are restrictions in every country.

First time I've heard 'Bongland' though. Ironic that I discover this term during a period when Big Ben isn't working.


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May 28 2018 03:44pm
I should add that the reason we have these laws around crown court cases is so that justice can be done.
Unlike in the US where the televisation of every aspect of a big case makes a fair trial impossible.
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May 28 2018 03:51pm
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Couldn't give a shit. Tommy Robinson is a twat and is back behind bars where he belongs.


Why does he belong there? Because he has opinions you don't share?

Once again, if this were flipped and a radical left wing journalist was filming outside the court room for a trial where white supremacists were being sentenced, do you think he would get ANY punishment at all, let alone prison time?



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Why does he belong there? Because he has opinions you don't share?

Once again, if this were flipped and a radical left wing journalist was filming outside the court room for a trial where white supremacists were being sentenced, do you think he would get ANY punishment at all, let alone prison time?


Because he keeps breaking the law.

Yes. If the journo were to be in contempt of court they would receive a similar sentence. As I've now said twce - there's a reason he was all alone outside the court. It's a high-profile case. Journos from the left and the right would be there if they could. The alt-right victim narrative is cute and all but it's bullshit mate. You're not victims.



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