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Apr 5 2018 05:47pm
Bean bag rounds are pretty effective at stopping people.
Personally I think one to the chest then one to the head would be my response to being attacked.
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Apr 5 2018 05:49pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 6 Apr 2018 00:24)
Tasers are absolutely not for taking on someone who is rushing you.
Tasers do not stop people who already have momentum, tasers do not reliably disable people, tasers are quite ineffective at disabling someone who already had murderous intent.
Police tasers are intentionally not made strong enough to actually shock someone into submission because anything so powerful would be often lethal. When police used stronger tasers, it killed people. Which then got the police blamed.
Tasers are also ineffective simply by the restriction of their design: Prongs often fail to attach, they are bad at penetrating clothing, they can be easily ripped out. Where they hit someone matters. If you miss the single shot. If they fail to deploy. If they get snagged on surroundings. If they get shorted out. If there are multiple attackers. Etc etc down the line.

There are no magical non-lethal means to subdue dangerous targets. They don't exist. No weapons programs have ever developed anything thats reliable, portable, cheap, effective, and guaranteed non-lethal. Not tasers, not mace, not net-guns, not sonic devices, not microwave emitters, not russian poisonous knock-out gas. They all fail in one way or another. When someone is charging a police officer trying to bash their head in, the only reliable tool they have to stop them is hollow point bullets aimed center of mass to minimize chances of hitting bystanders.


again, just creating a situation in order to dismiss something you don't like by trying to portray it in the worst light possible. first of all, the taser use would have occured EARLIER - not when he's charging. secondly, tasers DO stop people with momentum, you're talking out of your ass. the electric shock contracts the muscles - it's not just an inconvenience like pepper spray. also, i already acknowledged that tasers CAN be problematic, but just repeating those instances and possibilities does NOT mean they are as ineffective as you're trying to make it sound.

and all of that is STILL ignoring the simple fact that i already said twice that given the circumstance i consider the gun use justifiable, and that was my very first post concerning this case. but hey, maybe repeat your fallacious anti taser rant a couple of times and that will magically render a tested piece of equipment useless, while promoting your beloved guns to the perfect solution for every case. guess your simple mind can't deal with any more nuance...

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Apr 5 2018 05:49pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 6 2018 12:47am)
Bean bag rounds are pretty effective at stopping people.
Personally I think one to the chest then one to the head would be my response to being attacked.


second gun policy :D

rubber bullets work as well probably.
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Apr 5 2018 05:51pm
Quote (Knoppie @ Apr 6 2018 10:49am)
second gun policy :D

rubber bullets work as well probably.


Police here used to carry throw away guns to plant on corpses.
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Apr 5 2018 05:53pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 6 2018 12:51am)
Police here used to carry throw away guns to plant on corpses.


well regulated militia is important.
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Apr 5 2018 05:55pm
Quote (Knoppie @ Apr 5 2018 06:53pm)
well regulated militia is important.


We are quite uninvadable. A rifle behind every blade of grass.
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Apr 5 2018 05:55pm
oh look, nothing but a COMPLETE dodge

one must really hate the police to post this much stupidity

Quote (Knoppie @ 6 Apr 2018 01:43)
Yeah I actually did. It's a very nice tool for torture, not leaving many marks, not to be used to liberal. For some being tased from a distance is infuriating them even more. A backup with a gun, which they would have if there was any team work to begin with, could have avoided a shot being fired. But I'm somewhat not sure how the effect for a tase gun deviates from the US with a high gun ownership and the EU. I'm expecting it to be more effective here only due to the threat of it being used ;)


there have been tests with tasers here and the guys carrying them mostly report that they feel like pointing the thing at possible attackers has intimidated them
in berlin it was reported that they havent been used a single time and all those threatened with taser use ended up doing nothing

well, what you take from that is up to you, a normal gun would probably have the same effect
intimidation certainly does not help you against complete nutjobs like the guy in the video
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Apr 5 2018 05:56pm
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 6 2018 12:55am)
We are quite uninvadable. A rifle behind every blade of grass.


you guys need to grow more grass :D
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Apr 5 2018 05:57pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 5 2018 06:51pm)
Police here used to carry throw away guns to plant on corpses.


Police here still do.
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Apr 5 2018 05:59pm
Quote (Knoppie @ Apr 5 2018 06:56pm)
you guys need to grow more grass :D


Not really. We need to create more diverse wildlife sanctuaries instead of monospecies horticulture.
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