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Jan 28 2018 07:24pm
It is a great game, i play the beta, i doubt it will have dedicated servers so it will end up like grim dawn, a hair lipped reminder of what could have been.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jan 28 2018 05:24pm)
It is a great game, i play the beta, i doubt it will have dedicated servers so it will end up like grim dawn, a hair lipped reminder of what could have been.


It better have dedicated servers or its chance of becoming remotely popular in the aRPG online world is about 0.0001%.

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Jan 28 2018 07:38pm
nothing can compete with poe
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Jan 29 2018 12:34am
Early access lol
it's dead in the water
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Jan 29 2018 12:57am
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Early access lol
it's dead in the water


poe had early access, diablo 3 had early access
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poe had early access, diablo 3 had early access


and they're both awful

but really, steam early access is a different beast, and PoE was free while D3 was created by Blizzard, an established company who were still devoted to quality. avg steam early access devs are ready to hop into the next gravy train long before it's finished once they get most of the money they were going to get anyway from early access buyers.

Amateur devs with this knowledge in mind, kickstarter too, I wouldn't expect much

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Quote (DCSS @ Jan 29 2018 02:09am)
and they're both awful

but really, steam early access is a different beast, and PoE was free while D3 was created by Blizzard, an established company who were still devoted to quality. avg steam early access devs are ready to hop into the next gravy train long before it's finished once they get most of the money they were going to get anyway from early access buyers.

Amateur devs with this knowledge in mind, kickstarter too, I wouldn't expect much


nobody thought anything of poe until way after its initial release so...anything is possible bud
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Quote (Kiseki @ Jan 29 2018 05:07am)
nobody thought anything of poe until way after its initial release so...anything is possible bud


again, free vs paid
and it being in 'beta' was basically just a formality at a certain point
anything can happen ye but odds are low
paid early access almost always sucks the passion out of devs, they got a large portion of their payoff already so why work as hard? This is why I feel the best way to support a game that isn't finished yet is to not buy it yet
and early access culture is killing video game after video game because people don't understand basic psychology

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again, free vs paid
and it being in 'beta' was basically just a formality at a certain point
anything can happen ye but odds are low
paid early access almost always sucks the passion out of devs, they got a large portion of their payoff already so why work as hard? This is why I feel the best way to support a game that isn't finished yet is to not buy it yet
and early access culture is killing video game after video game because people don't understand basic psychology


literally odds were low with poe and it had a huge backing of support financially
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Quote (Kiseki @ Jan 29 2018 05:29am)
literally odds were low with poe and it had a huge backing of support financially


Yet you're comparing a paid game with a game that was designed to be free but with a sustainable micro transaction driven business model, being a free game gives it the freedom to do the kinds of things with those that a paid game can't get do without controversy or hurt sales. It's incomparable, free early access vs paid early access are very different animals.

You have to accept that a large margin of your profits occur during early access, you can add microtransactions to try to even it out but 1st of all what's stopping you from adding it before the game comes out? Also it will just reduce the sales you will get after it 'officially' comes out from low compared to early access hype sales to even lower.

I'll say it one more time: early access hype sales will be most of their profits, they are no longer pushed to work as hard because they already have the money, aside from out of the goodness of their hearts they have no more motivation to give you as much of a quality product. It's counter-intuitive to capitalism to give someone money up-front for a game that isn't finished, people need to stop doing it if they want these games to succeed.

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