Libertarian-anarchism is science fiction, i can confirm, maybe possible in like... 1000 or 10.000 years ?...
Considering human specie survive and maintain its technological progress.

It's true, because at this stage, it will be probably possible to live without constrains like -money- or -food issues- or -vital space- ... Full hardware freedom.
You get it ?

In waiting this awesome era... Let's try to have something balanced, especially when theres several different nations and cultures running on the same planet.

What you can do is to promote decentralization, im ok with this (especially considering the size of your country)

Btw are you a secessionist ?



Theory is nice, but wait each corporate start to create its own private police & army....

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Nov 22 2017 06:43pm

that's not what he's talking about, no one here can recall one instance of you condemning anything the private sector has done
you just find creative ways to blame everything and anything on the govt

I am an advocate of the non aggression principle. If they are murdering, stealing, assaulting, defrauding, etc i'm against it.
Complaining that i support the legality of voluntary capitalist activities is not quite the same as supporting slavery and oligarchy or 'supporting any evil thing they do'

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Nov 22 2017 07:06pm

Monopolistic behemoths that came into existence because of crony capitalism means libertarianism is practically impossible to achieve... That is, anything short of executing the board of directors of every existing corporation and completely dismantling the corporate structure and taking all of their accumulated wealth and giving it back to society so that everyone starts over from the same point...


Whoa, wait a minute. Libertarianism requires the same conditions as communism to achieve. So interesting.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Nov 23 2017 03:02am

Libertarianism does not at all require executing everyone, taking their possessions and starting from a totally equal material position.
False premise>bad conclusion.

So, what's voluntary about a government-imposed corporate monopoly being allowed to control access to information and the sharing of ideas (aka free speech) by creating a fragmented internet that they will sell to you at a profit? Explain how you can possibly support taking away net neutrality without first dismantling the crony capitalist system that prevents the very competitive mechanism your entire philosophy requires to function?

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Nov 23 2017 03:08am

Sure it does. The wealthy and the powerful corporate entities were conceived under a system of government protection and benefit. Simply removing the government while allowing those who exploited the government (and by extension the people) for gain to keep what they stole is called kleptocracy, not libertarianism.

In the case of these crony ISPs fighting net neutrality, they are arguing that the amount of investment in them has dropped since 2015.

Well fucking sure it did. We the people paid them billions of tax dollars to expand high-speed broadband to every household in this nation. They pocketed the money and they will never give it back. And they want to shake us down for more. And they can because the government protects them.

Supporting this move by Mr. Verizon Ajit Pai is the very antithesis of what libertarianism stands for. I would know. I am a libertarian socialist after all.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Nov 23 2017 03:13am

you can never achieve the same starting point in humans

im poor and i have
big dick internet plan
so?

If we eliminated the government today it still wouldn't be a libertarian or free market situation because the power that was currently achieved was done under a government and will remain a major influence for hundreds of years.

The only way to get a free market is to wipe the slate clean.

Net neutrality being eliminated is a giant favor to the corporations currently running the system unless you also hit a larger reset button that erases the advantages they have received.

Advocating for a loss of net neutrality without also advocating for that larger button is just being a fake libertarian that sucks corporate dick.