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I see you're adapting to islamic culture already

Quote (Scaly @ Nov 21 2017 10:12am)

'Gender gobbledygook'?

Honestly it doesn't matter what you believe. It only matters whether those guys were entirely comfortable with and consented to that kind of gross indecency being inflicted upon their person. Considering Robin Williams was married at the time I find it hard to believe he would consent to being publicly groped by a playboy bunny. Shame we can't ask him about it.

I don't think women 'have more leeway'. I think the line is pretty clear and it's called consent.

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 21 2017 08:55am)

A woman wrapping her leg around a comedian on stage is gross indecency? What are you a Puritan now? What she did isn't comparable to what Al Franken allegedly did.

Men are naturally more powerful than women, so we have to be more careful when making advances than women. The same applies in a comedic situation.

Quote (inkanddagger @ Nov 21 2017 11:13am)

What did Franken allegedly do?

1. Hoverhand picture
2. Dress rehearsal
3. Put arms around people for photos 1,000 times a day and accidentally touch a butt

This vs. literal child rape.

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When I saw the script, Franken had written a moment when his character comes at me for a ‘kiss’. I suspected what he was after, but I figured I could turn my head at the last minute, or put my hand over his mouth, to get more laughs from the crowd.
On the day of the show Franken and I were alone backstage going over our lines one last time. He said to me, “We need to rehearse the kiss.” I laughed and ignored him. Then he said it again. I said something like, ‘Relax Al, this isn’t SNL…we don’t need to rehearse the kiss.’
He continued to insist, and I was beginning to get uncomfortable.
He repeated that actors really need to rehearse everything and that we must practice the kiss. I said ‘OK’ so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth.
I immediately pushed him away with both of my hands against his chest and told him if he ever did that to me again I wouldn’t be so nice about it the next time.
I walked away. All I could think about was getting to a bathroom as fast as possible to rinse the taste of him out of my mouth.
I felt disgusted and violated.

Quote (inkanddagger @ Nov 21 2017 12:13pm)

What did Franken allegedly do?

1. Hoverhand picture
2. Dress rehearsal
3. Put arms around people for photos 1,000 times a day and accidentally touch a butt

This vs. literal child rape.

It's like... yeah, as a society, we have moved on from childish humor like the hoverhand photo. We know it's not acceptable just to get an affirmation of consent for a stage rehearsal kiss; one must reaffirm that consent and acknowledge it can be revoked at any time. The final charge just made me laugh, honestly. I can't think of a large group photo I've ever taken where it was awkward fumbling for where to put arms before the snapshot. That seems like some sensitive snowflake Republican stuff.

So Franken certainly shouldn't be bringing outdated humor or old consent normas into the modern era.

But again, it's not like his dick was involved in any of these situations. Why we are comparing him to people who whipped out their dick - actual child rapists like Roy Moore and sexual predators like Weinstein or Louis CK - is beyond me.

Quote (IceMage @ 21 Nov 2017 15:55)

A woman wrapping her leg around a comedian on stage is gross indecency? What are you a Puritan now? What she did isn't comparable to what Al Franken allegedly did.

Men are naturally more powerful than women, so we have to be more careful when making advances than women. The same applies in a comedic situation.

Quote (Scaly @ Nov 21 2017 12:34pm)

Grabbing and slapping their arses is. Al Franken made a hoverhand photo and kissed her with her consent. Sexual harassment at the absolute best. She committed at least two sexual assaults against different men, one of whom was a vulnerable person suffering severe mental illness.

She's a fucking predator mate.

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He repeated that actors really need to rehearse everything and that we must practice the kiss. I said ‘OK’ so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth.