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Dec 15 2017 05:25pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 16 2017 01:18am)
on a real note, that was your attempt at a troll? lol


you are hard to fool :mellow:
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Dec 15 2017 05:48pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 15 2017 05:15pm)
"get over yourself, punk."

you just got through butchering the facts of netflix v comcast, uncritically parroting low info talking points and furthering the hysteria.

The repeal of title 2 doesn't mean its going to turn into some dystopian nightmare with the only providers choosing to destroy their own services.
the truth is more nuanced and what it even really covered is more complicated.
http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/05/no-the-fcc-isnt-overturning-net-neutrali


Butchering?

Fact: Comcast throttled Netflix data speed on their network in late 2013.
Fact: Netflix reached an agreement with Comcast in February 2014 which included Netflix paying Comcast undisclosed millions to get equal treatment on Comcast networks.
Fact: Netflix data speeds on Comcast networks surged dramatically immediately following this deal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/business/media/comcast-and-netflix-reach-a-streaming-agreement.html

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Dec 15 2017 06:04pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 15 2017 02:50pm)
who is this "they" you speak of? what makes you think people can simply pick another isp when most of the giants have agreements to stay off one another's turf in many areas restricting a lot of people to a choice between comcast and comcast


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Dec 15 2017 06:08pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Dec 15 2017 06:48pm)
Butchering?

Fact: Comcast throttled Netflix data speed on their network in late 2013.
Fact: Netflix reached an agreement with Comcast in February 2014 which included Netflix paying Comcast undisclosed millions to get equal treatment on Comcast networks.
Fact: Netflix data speeds on Comcast networks surged dramatically immediately following this deal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/business/media/comcast-and-netflix-reach-a-streaming-agreement.html

https://2h7qju2c3qvcc3s86ekn8n0-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/philly/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/05/wapo-netflix-comcast-graph.png


"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

Now go read about CDNs, the reasons why it was actually slow, and what really happened.


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Much like Netflix’s ongoing standoff with Verizon FiOS, the drop in speeds wasn’t an issue of the ISP throttling or blocking service to Netflix. Rather, the ISPs were allowing for Netflix traffic to bottleneck at what’s known as “peering ports,” the connection between Netflix’s bandwidth provider and the ISPs.


from your source:
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It is also unclear whether the Comcast-Netflix deal violates the principles of what is known as net neutrality — where all content providers have equal and free access to consumers. People close to the deal characterize it as a common arrangement. Content companies frequently pay a middleman to carry traffic to a broadband provider, which then moves through its pipes and into a consumer’s home.



https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/
https://www.cnet.com/news/comcast-vs-netflix-is-this-really-about-net-neutrality/
https://9to5mac.com/2016/03/25/netflix-throttling-att-verizon/

Yes, butchering. time to take a step back and reassess.
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Dec 15 2017 06:15pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 15 2017 06:08pm)
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

Now go read about CDNs, the reasons why it was actually slow, and what really happened.




from your source:



https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/
https://www.cnet.com/news/comcast-vs-netflix-is-this-really-about-net-neutrality/
https://9to5mac.com/2016/03/25/netflix-throttling-att-verizon/

Yes, butchering. time to take a step back and reassess.


So the isps allowed the bottlenecking then once they got a deal disallowed it?
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Dec 15 2017 06:16pm
Quote (Snyft2 @ Dec 15 2017 03:44pm)
as i said, if they dont add more competitors it will be a problem. that also answers that first question, comcast can block netflix sure, but that doesnt matter if i can simply pick another ISP :blush:


You usually can't
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Dec 15 2017 06:58pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 15 2017 06:08pm)
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."

Now go read about CDNs, the reasons why it was actually slow, and what really happened.




from your source:



https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/
https://www.cnet.com/news/comcast-vs-netflix-is-this-really-about-net-neutrality/
https://9to5mac.com/2016/03/25/netflix-throttling-att-verizon/

Yes, butchering. time to take a step back and reassess.


I know what CDNs are. I also know that their traffic on Comcast rebounded a hell of a lot faster than other ISPs after the deal.
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Dec 15 2017 09:34pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Dec 15 2017 06:58pm)
I know what CDNs are. I also know that their traffic on Comcast rebounded a hell of a lot faster than other ISPs after the deal.


Really doesn't take a genius to see the trend there. There's an obvious downward trend among a number of ISPs around the same time, but there's a SIGNIFICANT boost immediately after that happens on no other ISPs.
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Dec 16 2017 03:16am
Quote (Hacintosh @ Dec 15 2017 02:42pm)
The happiest people are usually the dumbest people. The saying "ignorance is bliss" didnt just appear out of thin air. The more you know about how the world really works the less there is to be happy about.


this goes both ways too! could be argued the more you know about the world, like to travel, etc. the more happier the person is (entirely dependent on someone's worldview)
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Feb 13 2018 02:56am
Thanks

This post was edited by kirasmart on Feb 13 2018 02:56am
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