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Jul 12 2017 12:06pm
Quote (nobosy @ Jul 12 2017 01:39pm)
i might give this a shot :)

how important do you believe is this exact gear?

i was thinking about something easier to acquire/stuff that i have

for example: shako ist, gull/hoto, i dont have offensive skillers right now...

how much damage do i really need to oneshot stuff in nightmare? did you try leaving out the skillers for example?


Yeah you can have other gear ofc
I just gave the perfect build exemple for max optimized killing speed + mf%
Your build could work... I havnt tried it
ofc you'll have less mf and less dmg (I think you might need 2 ticks of dmg to kill most of the time tho)

but seriously, these items are kinda easy to get
you just need to understand how to find them you know ;)

I got all of these by myself using only the right clvl to shop and gamble for the desired affixes, and mf'ing the right ilvl areas to find the other uniques and stuff
even the anni was found recently by this guy! I was on a hot ip, dclone was still not spawning, but I had 13 soj in chest, so I said to myself ''hey why not help these guys trying to spawn him!''
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Jul 13 2017 02:05pm
Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Jul 11 2017 05:58pm)

glitched nm andy has 10% chance of droping a ring
every single monster you kill has 0.6% chance in those area, with a better chance for soj (cuz lvl39 instead of lvl60)
so basically, every 16.6 regular monster killed = 1 glitched andy quest (with 1/31 chance instead of 1/52)
16.6 monster is about 1 teleport + tick of holy shock, so it happens about every 2 seconds with this build
so, either keep believing what you just said, or welcome this new technique that will drop easily 60 times more sojs in the same time frame ;)


Yo, 0.6% means that 1 in every 166.6 monsters will drop a ring (100 divided by 0.6). Your math there was off by a factor of 10...so that's one ring every 10 teleports as opposed to 1 ring every teleport. But if you are killing glitched andy once every couple of minutes, then you just need to also be killing 166.6 monsters every couple of minutes to be equal to that. Theoretically you're killing 166 monsters every 20 seconds or so?

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Jul 13 2017 02:15pm
Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Jul 12 2017 01:13am)
My gf barb gambles a soj about once per day
While my auradin drops an average of 11.6 per day based on the 9 days hes been in service


11.6 soj's per day? Let's assume he's running 24 hours in that day. There is a 1/31 chance for a unique ring to be an SOJ with these areas, so 11.6 SOJ's means that 11.6*31 unique rings were dropped in a 24 hour span. That is 360 unique rings that theoretically have to drop in order for you to get 11.6 soj's per day. That is a unique ring every 4 minutes?

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Jul 13 2017 02:35pm
Quote (kbb @ Jul 13 2017 04:15pm)
11.6 soj's per day? Let's assume he's running 24 hours in that day. There is a 1/31 chance for a unique ring to be an SOJ with these areas, so 11.6 SOJ's means that 11.6*31 unique rings were dropped in a 24 hour span. That is 360 unique rings that theoretically have to drop in order for you to get 11.6 soj's per day. That is a unique ring every 4 minutes?


hey you're right about the 10 factor, my bad
still, 0fcr = 15frames tele, so every 0.6sec, * 10 times = every 6 seconds a ring drop
Now the reason I didnt explain why you get soj so often, is cuz during a full run in the same game, you're very lickely to drop 3 unique rings.
all of them have by itself a 1/31 chance to be a soj on the first ID
the same unique ring can't drop in the same game.
so you either get a soj on the 1/31 chance 1st ID, or this chance becomes 1/16 on the second ID
and this chance becomes 1/1 on the 3rd ID

how beautiful is that?
I didn't even realize why that was so insane, but I just flashed about this fact haha

/edit : oh and btw, 10th day this is running, and last 24h = 16 drops
average is now 13.2/day

Here's my first tip if your try this build :
Do longer runs / leave right after 3rd unique ring is found
This will ensure 1/3 unique rings are sojs (easily 1 soj per game if you run all lvl 39-52 NM areas : https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Area_Level)
My drop rate is going up very fast

This post was edited by SinsOfTheSun on Jul 13 2017 02:45pm
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Jul 13 2017 03:22pm
damnnnnn, if that is how it works then that is some sweet shit right there
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Jul 13 2017 03:57pm
Quote (kbb @ Jul 13 2017 05:22pm)
damnnnnn, if that is how it works then that is some sweet shit right there


Yes that's how it works
and if you were to drop a 4th unique ring in any area under lvl53 in the same game, that ring would be rare instead

ref : https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Unique_Rings

That's why I said run all lvl 39-52 areas to make the game last long enough to drop 3 unique rings
auto-quit on 3rd unique ring drop
100% soj finding every single game
Average game time with my optimized setup described in 1st post : looks like under 1h/game so far (recently updated the areas I run to full lvl 39-52 clear with auto-quit on 3rd drop)
will update the average drop rate per day with this new strategy when I have some numbers to work with in a few days

Dclone spawned solely by me in the past few days : 4
np np east ladder :ph34r:

This post was edited by SinsOfTheSun on Jul 13 2017 04:08pm
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Jul 13 2017 04:34pm
Just read all this and sounds pretty cool! would be interested in giving it a shot. Would you say the... circ 2os, ammy, shield, 3holyshock 5os scepter are expensive/hard to find?

This post was edited by milksteak111 on Jul 13 2017 04:40pm
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Jul 13 2017 04:42pm
Quote (milksteak111 @ Jul 13 2017 06:34pm)
Just read all this and sounds pretty cool! would be interested in giving it a shot. Would you say the... 3offensive 35mf circ 2os, 3offensive 35mf amy, 3offensive 2os shield, 3holyshock 5os scepter are expensive/hard to find?


on us east ladder, bought the circ and amy vs 50fgs each (not many think that kind of stuff can be usefull so only some random botters will have this in their pickit)
The shield is easy to shop... you basically just circle around all vendor until you find a 3off shield, then tempt your luck for 2os
3holy shock scepters drops often, it just have to be a cady type so you can get 5os with larzuk

so basically 100fgs and maybe 1hour of your time for all 4 ''hard'' piece to find ;)

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Jul 13 2017 04:48pm
Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Jul 13 2017 03:42pm)
on us east ladder, bought the circ and amy vs 50fgs each
The shield is easy to shop... you basically just circle around all vendor until you find a 3off shield, then tempt your luck for 2os
3holy shock scepters drops often, it just have to be a cady type so you can get 5os with larzuk

so basically 100fgs and maybe 1hour of your time for all 4 ''hard'' piece to find ;)


awesome man thanks for the tips ! haven't made a pali yet on this ladder and I would like to do something different rather than a typical hammerdin or smiter. Sounds like it would be fun to hunt for some soj's as well :) thanks for the guide
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Jul 13 2017 04:52pm
Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Jul 13 2017 01:57pm)
Dclone spawned solely by me in the past few days : 4
np np east ladder :ph34r:


LOL. So you've dropped 400 sojs to NPCs when you claim to get less than 100 based on your numbers? Other people are selling on hot servers too, don't strain your shoulder patting your own back
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