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Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 13 2017 06:18pm)
ok but that means the "simple" solution is that we bleeped into existence, into the creation of something from nothing in an idea we came up with in something we will NEVER be able to even come close to recreating. the only more complicated thing is "someone did it" versus "no one did it".


Okay my lack of physics knowledge may be showing, but I thought the entire point of a particle accelerator was to eventually simulate a big bang by slamming particles together at ridiculous rates of speed.

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ok but that means the "simple" solution is that we bleeped into existence, into the creation of something from nothing in an idea we came up with in something we will NEVER be able to even come close to recreating. the only more complicated thing is "someone did it" versus "no one did it".


Positing an intelligent actor to a phenomena without reason automatically makes it a more complicated solution. Even if the phenomena is microscopic gnomes carrying charges throughout wires in your computer.

The problem is evil is also an example where there's generally an unwillingness to continue and just give cop-out answers that fall within religious talking points.

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Okay my lack of physics knowledge is showing. But I thought the entire point of a particle accelerator was to eventually simulate a big bang by slamming particles together at ridiculous rates of speed.


It's all lines of evidence, in the end we can never recreate a universe, but if we extend our model of physics so it's applicable to within an arbitrary time lapse after the big bang we can have a better way to understand what was going on before that.

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God may have done it, but the question is... did we deserve it?

Quote (IceMage @ Feb 13 2017 08:23pm)
I don't remember Jesus saying "tax your citizens high and still run up a bunch of debt". Jesus's teaching on charity was more about the spirit of a person rather than whether we're willing to pay for a massive government taking care of everyone who won't take care of themselves.

But hey, I've actually studied the Bible, not just seen scripture in memes.


Pretty sure the Bible said nothing whatever about politics. He also never said anything about small government and low taxation IIRC. Actually, he was fairly fond of tax collectors.😏

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Positing an intelligent actor to a phenomena without reason automatically makes it a more complicated solution. Even if the phenomena is microscopic gnomes carrying charges throughout wires in your computer.

The problem is evil is also an example where there's generally an unwillingness to continue and just give cop-out answers that fall within religious talking points.



It's all lines of evidence, in the end we can never recreate a universe, but if we extend our model of physics so it's applicable to within an arbitrary time lapse after the big bang we can have a better way to understand what was going on before that.


I'm a biologist Thor, you're giving me a headache :P

On a scale of 1 to 10, how would the current model of physics be to reaching the knowledge that could possibly satisfy the major questions that define existence? Follow up, do you think we could ever actually answer those questions?
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Quote (Voyaging @ 14 Feb 2017 02:21)
God may have done it, but the question is... did we deserve it?



Pretty sure the Bible said nothing whatever about politics. He also never said anything about small government and low taxation IIRC. Actually, he was fairly fond of tax collectors.😏


The definition of charity has definitely changed. But I still say that the majority of Republican officials I see frequently act outside of a spirit of charity.
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Quote (Impose @ Feb 13 2017 08:24pm)
I'm a biologist Thor, you're giving me a headache :P

On a scale of 1 to 10, how would the current model of physics be to reaching the knowledge that could possibly satisfy the major questions that define existence? Follow up, do you think we could ever actually answer those questions?


Gonna need the specific questions.
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Okay my lack of physics knowledge may be showing, but I thought the entire point of a particle accelerator was to eventually simulate a big bang by slamming particles together at ridiculous rates of speed.


now I need to read up on it :rofl: ... mainly to understand how close it is to understanding it. I think its an experiment to help show some evidence.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 13 2017 08:20pm)
Positing an intelligent actor to a phenomena without reason automatically makes it a more complicated solution. Even if the phenomena is microscopic gnomes carrying charges throughout wires in your computer.

The problem is evil is also an example where there's generally an unwillingness to continue and just give cop-out answers that fall within religious talking points.



ive never quite worked out how saying "____ can just happen, and we know this because it happened" is less complicated than "______Made ______ happen". I suppose one needs one more step of explaining, I just find one more likely. Perhaps not more explainable but more likely to me.

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Would I be racist if I thought there were differences between races?


depends are we talking like penis size?

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Gonna need the specific questions.


Let me try the most common one that I hear. "Given that nothing existed to the big bang, HOW could the big bang have happened? We know that you cannot create something from nothing, therefore how did the big bang occur?"

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Would I be racist if I thought there were differences between races?


No, you would be someone who knows a biological fact.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 14 2017 01:10pm)
if someone believes entirely in physics and all branches of science is it irrational to also believe there is a creator who makes it so? I never saw belief in god to be irrational, simply the understanding of god's purpose or even the idea that we could conceptualize such a being. I think the idea that we are some chosen species on some chosen planet could be equally irrational.


No, but to assume that creator is the god of the bible is pretty damn irrational, i mean go read the thing.
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