as long as doesn't cause harm or damage to a person or their property I support a person's right to protest however they see fit

After discussing with veterans he started taking a knee and others raise a fist or lock arms. This shows to me a maturity and willingness to listen that I also support.

"find another way to protest" is a bullshit position. Protests shouldn't be comfortable

I'm not sure about that. In the NBA, yes, but in the NFL, not so certain.

The NFL and football culture have much stronger ties to Christianity and traditionalism than say the culture of basketball. I don't think many NFL owners or players would come out and accuse the gay marriage protestors of being homophobic - perhaps just disrespectful to the flag and our country.

But the media, yeah, they would probably run with it like you are describing.

Personally, I'm absolutely fine with these protests. In fact, it makes me happy that we live in a country where we can have the freedom of speech to do stuff like this and spark a national debate and conversation.

'Not being able to discriminate against other people based on our interpretation of Christian morality means we're being discriminated against!'

There are no afaik deaths attributed to gay marriage though, nor has it changed your place in line for heaven. So what exactly would be the gripe worth discounting the flag when 9 people made that decision?

Sure you were one of the "leading arguments". Yet you don't share that argument here.

MRW people put video direct to FB, instead of putting it on YT and linking it to FB:



This post was edited by Surfpunk on Sep 22 2016 11:57am

The American flag now represents a country that has turned it's back on the traditional, Biblical definition of marriage. Just because 9 people made the final decision doesn't mean they are the only ones to blame. If NFL players decided to not stand because of that, they would be treated much differently, because in popular culture holding Christian beliefs is not praised.

Or perhaps its the other untouched part of my post where lives are lost in one scenario and feelings are hurt in the other. Your salvation isn't tied to either the flag or another person's. Kaep's protest says plainly I am not an american under that flag because im not an equal to other Americans. You protest says i don't like that other people get to do something that i disagree with that doesn't effect me, it doesn't even make you unequal. You can spin the issue into christian beliefs not being praised but even that is a hard argument to make given proper score, Christian beliefs that effect others when they shouldn't are rightfully not praised. Christian morality is still present in most aspects of collective morality.

It was untouched because the point of my post was not to argue the validity of the hypothetical protest, but rather to focus on the NFL and media reaction. Do you really expect me to respond to your straw man?

They're one in the same, the NFL and media response is tied to the validity of the protest. Or do you think the NFL should fine players equally for a helmet to helmet that they do for a well documented use history and positive PED tests?

Not entirely true. The NFL and San Francisco basically said that they respect our flag and our country but also respect a player's choice to protest the anthem. They didn't comment on the validity of the issue he's protesting for, but simply his right to protest in general. I don't believe a Christian protesting because of the gay marriage decision would get the same treatment.