clinton doesnt have a care plan anyway, isnt it ?

I wasn't being serious.

Yes, because otherwise you can be a poor to mediocre quality health service provider from an overall medical perspective yet know how to kiss ass properly so the free market will ensure a continuous stream of patients customers lining up for poorer health care.

This post was edited by Neptunus on May 21 2016 12:32pm

By my reckoning this is the opposite of what I'd expect. The market will weed out providers who do not add the level of quality or pricing on goods and services due to the existence of competition. The govt creating a quasi monopoly, captive audience and a layer of bureaucracy that would be more inclined to allow shoddy service to fly under the radar or operate in a sub par way because uncle Sam is footing the bill instead of consumers.

When people directly pay for goods and services they are more selective and results orientated.


One example of public vs private without applying the Hierarchical linear model.







This post was edited by Master_Zappy on May 21 2016 01:05pm

You know rich kids go to private schools. More resources in means more coming out. Kids with college educated parents do better in school and go to college themselves.

You go to public schools in wealthy neighborhoods and they aren't lagging behind.

Also, the best school in my region by far is public. Or always ranks in the top 50 schools in the nation and has over 95% college acceptance rates. My wife went there...everyone know there is freakishly smart....they do classic liberal arts education though.

In countries where there is a small private health care sector alongside the public one that's universal and provides high-end care a trend can be seen where people demonize the public sector for not being as customer friendly (aka not performing medically unnecessary procedures "just in case"). The private sector competes with the public one for customers who in most cases are not aware of what is medically best for them. A smiling doctor who bills you for a possibly unnecessary lab test will obviously come off as a professional who genuinely cares about his patient despite costing more. Such is psychology.

This is why there either needs to be a centralized supervising organization that enforces rather authoritarian measures on a fully privatized health care system to protect the rights and benefits of the country's citizens, or then just let the supervisor provide the services altogether, which would make us go a full circle to arrive at what is essentially a universal health care system. In reality the supervising entity is usually a distinct organization in order to spread the power and reduce the risk of malpractice and what you described as "shoddy service flying under the radar". This is indeed a valid point but isn't enough to shift the scales alone, when taking all other factors into consideration.

This post was edited by Neptunus on May 21 2016 01:41pm

base: ppl who have private school
ohh

In their area... Who interact and see the results compared to public schools in their area, you can chalk some of that off to perception which doesn't always correlate to results, but the margin between the two is not tiny.



Aside,


Also your "refuting" of socialism vs capitalism in the Venezuela thread was weak sauce and emotionally driven compared to the hard numbers , indexes and comparisons I posted which spanned decades, can you do better?, to save you some time both oil and copper have had comparable 50% slumps in their pricing in the last decade, the two major exports for both countries respectively. Venezuela has 20% of occupations in the service industry and Chile's largest field at 15% is agriculture. With droughts affecting both economies which would you expect to have greater impact?, despite this, one economy is still growing and the other is turning into a failed state.

This post was edited by Master_Zappy on May 21 2016 02:23pm

So Venezuela is just one very successful authoritarian dictatorship away from being a thriving, liberal democracy

They have had a Constitution since 88 and a democracy since 90, they even have a female president, Michelle Bachelet. They also have the highest economic freedom in all the Americas behind only USA and Canada.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_transition_to_democracy


So Venezuela is just one more price control and social program away from utopia?