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Quote (IceMage @ May 20 2016 10:54am)
Answer my question. Should someone of a particular Native American tribe feel guilty because their ancestors 300 years ago killed and stole land from another Native American tribe?


Apples and genocide my friend.
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Apples and genocide my friend.


I'll keep talking even though you are being a coward.

If you should feel guilty because your government mistreated aboriginals before you were born, why should the Native American not feel guilty because their ancestors mistreated other Native Americans before they were born? How many years have to pass before the guilt should not be passed down?
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I don't think guilt is appropriate at all, but I definitely have no problem with feeling obligation as an American, because I'm not dumb enough to think intentional, systematic, back-shattering genocide which ended up nearly succeeding is just 'being cruel.' The idea that we just took land is based on ignorance.

As is the idea that it ended over a century ago. You need to find out when the last Indian boarding school closed instead of worrying about bullshit polls where people get to self-identify. There are a whole lot of Native/NDN activists who are leading the charge against Snyder, and even if that obviously dumb poll were accurate, that 10 percent would still matter.
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I'll keep talking even though you are being a coward.

If you should feel guilty because your government mistreated aboriginals before you were born, why should the Native American not feel guilty because their ancestors mistreated other Native Americans before they were born? How many years have to pass before the guilt should not be passed down?


Well people still being alive and disenfranchised by those direct actions would be the line i draw..
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Well people still being alive and disenfranchised by those direct actions would be the line i draw..


And the country that did it is still here and profiting off of those actions, as well.

That combo is pretty much the line, yeah.
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May 19 2016 06:05pm
...we have made significant reparations to the Indians including the right to self-governance .
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...we have made significant reparations to the Indians including the right to self-governance .


Lol, please, the BIA won't even let them determine their own citizens, how in the fuck is that self governance?
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I don't think guilt is appropriate at all, but I definitely have no problem with feeling obligation as an American, because I'm not dumb enough to think intentional, systematic, back-shattering genocide which ended up nearly succeeding is just 'being cruel.' The idea that we just took land is based on ignorance.

As is the idea that it ended over a century ago. You need to find out when the last Indian boarding school closed instead of worrying about bullshit polls where people get to self-identify. There are a whole lot of Native/NDN activists who are leading the charge against Snyder, and even if that obviously dumb poll were accurate, that 10 percent would still matter.


What do you mean by feeling obligation? Is genocide the only horrible act committed by our government that makes you feel obligation? Should other people whose ancestors/former government committed genocide feel obligation?

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...what we can't do is erase alcoholism from their genetic make-up and sooner or later they were going to be exposed to it . Heck , for all we really know it could have been the Vikings that started them on the path to their eventual destruction.
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Well people still being alive and disenfranchised by those direct actions would be the line i draw..


Where does the Native American community in the US have to get to before we can be free of guilt? What about the black community? It seems to me that unless we figure out time travel, white people got a significant head start over both groups.
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