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Feb 18 2015 05:11pm
Quote (sylvannos @ 18 Feb 2015 18:05)
According to NASA, there's around a 1 in 63,000 (0.001587301%) chance the TV135 1,480-foot-wide asteroid (quarter of a mile) will crash into Earth by 2032. It would hit with more force than Fat Man and Little Boy combined. Even a 200-foot-wide asteroid would be enough to level everything within a 5 mile radius of where it landed.

It's pretty telling on how far we've come in modern medicine when our vaccines have only a 1 in 250,000 chance of causing dangerous side effects...and that chance is lower than us being hit by an asteroid capable of wiping out New York.



omygod Bruce willis will be ded by then too!

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Feb 18 2015 05:50pm
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omygod Bruce willis will be ded by then too!


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Feb 18 2015 05:59pm
phil pls, get your kid that chicken pox vaccine
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Feb 18 2015 07:51pm
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phil pls, get your kid that chicken pox vaccine


The horrible shit i support vaccinating against....the risk/reward on a chicken pox vaccine doesn't make sense to me
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Quote (sylvannos @ Feb 18 2015 07:05pm)
According to NASA, there's around a 1 in 63,000 (0.001587301%) chance the TV135 1,480-foot-wide asteroid (quarter of a mile) will crash into Earth by 2032. It would hit with more force than Fat Man and Little Boy combined. Even a 200-foot-wide asteroid would be enough to level everything within a 5 mile radius of where it landed.

It's pretty telling on how far we've come in modern medicine when our vaccines have only a 1 in 250,000 chance of causing dangerous side effects...and that chance is lower than us being hit by an asteroid capable of wiping out New York.


What is the chance to catch a disease with consequences as bad as a permanent brain damage when you are not vaccinate ? We need that information to make a correct comparison.

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For who is 100% sure that vaccination does not cause autism, i have still have doubts when i see answer from reliable professional pro-vax source:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/parents-guide/parents-guide-part4.html


Q: How do you explain the increase in the number of children with autism, and the fact that the increase corresponded with an increase in the number of vaccinations children get?


A: The rise in the number of autism cases can be explained, at least in large part, by the fact that autism is being recognized and diagnosed much more often than it used to be, and that many conditions that used to go by other names are now being called autism, or autism spectrum disorder. The number of autism cases may actually be rising, but much of the apparent increase can be accounted for by the fact that we simply recognize it more often.

As for the correspondence between the rise in autism and the increase in the number of vaccinations, remember . . . just because one event preceded another, it doesn’t mean it caused it. No one has proven that vaccines cause autism, and in fact virtually all reliable evidence says that they don’t.

While there is evidence that genetics plays an important role in the development of autism, that doesn’t necessarily rule out the possibility that environmental factors could play a role too. But even if this is true, why would it have to be vaccines? Many things in our society were changing at the same time more vaccines were being developed, from the amount of fast foods and processed foods we eat, to the amount of television we watch, to the amounts of industrial pollution we’re exposed to, to other drugs and medicines we take, to chemicals in the clothes we wear and the homes we live in, to the amount of time we spend talking on cell phones — and that’s just a few. You could list just as many more.

The theory that vaccines cause autism has been extensively tested, and has come up short. Maybe the Institute of Medicine is right, and it’s time to devote more time and money looking into other, more promising, theories into the causes of autism.


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What is the chance to catch a disease with consequences as bad as a permanent brain damage when you are not vaccinate ? We need that information to make a correct comparison.


That information isn't going to be reliable because we would need a control group of people without vaccines. The chance of catching diseases is always going to be low when we have people providing herd immunity.

4 in 1,000,000 is really good odds of side effects.

Quote (2sexy4u @ Feb 18 2015 06:50pm)
For who is 100% sure that vaccination does not cause autism, i have still have doubts when i see answer from reliable professional pro-vax source:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/parents-guide/parents-guide-part4.html

Q: How do you explain the increase in the number of children with autism, and the fact that the increase corresponded with an increase in the number of vaccinations children get?

A: The rise in the number of autism cases can be explained, at least in large part, by the fact that autism is being recognized and diagnosed much more often than it used to be, and that many conditions that used to go by other names are now being called autism, or autism spectrum disorder. The number of autism cases may actually be rising, but much of the apparent increase can be accounted for by the fact that we simply recognize it more often.

As for the correspondence between the rise in autism and the increase in the number of vaccinations, remember . . . just because one event preceded another, it doesn’t mean it caused it. No one has proven that vaccines cause autism, and in fact virtually all reliable evidence says that they don’t.

While there is evidence that genetics plays an important role in the development of autism, that doesn’t necessarily rule out the possibility that environmental factors could play a role too. But even if this is true, why would it have to be vaccines? Many things in our society were changing at the same time more vaccines were being developed, from the amount of fast foods and processed foods we eat, to the amount of television we watch, to the amounts of industrial pollution we’re exposed to, to other drugs and medicines we take, to chemicals in the clothes we wear and the homes we live in, to the amount of time we spend talking on cell phones — and that’s just a few. You could list just as many more.

The theory that vaccines cause autism has been extensively tested, and has come up short. Maybe the Institute of Medicine is right, and it’s time to devote more time and money looking into other, more promising, theories into the causes of autism.


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The guy who originally published the article on vaccines and autism was later found to be a fraud who made shit up in order to get himself known. His research on vaccines was completely botched and fabricated.

Then, Jenny McCarthy read a book on the derpshit research, thought it's what gave her son autism, then went on Oprah with her claims. Flash forward a few years, and people are still doubting vaccines based on the anecdotes of a former Playboy model who based her opinions on a faulty research paper.

There's no reason to think vaccines cause autism or are any more harmful than any other medicine.

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Feb 18 2015 09:07pm
Quote (2sexy4u @ Feb 18 2015 09:50pm)
For who is 100% sure that vaccination does not cause autism, i have still have doubts when i see answer from reliable professional pro-vax source:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/parents-guide/parents-guide-part4.html

Q: How do you explain the increase in the number of children with autism, and the fact that the increase corresponded with an increase in the number of vaccinations children get?

A: The rise in the number of autism cases can be explained, at least in large part, by the fact that autism is being recognized and diagnosed much more often than it used to be, and that many conditions that used to go by other names are now being called autism, or autism spectrum disorder. The number of autism cases may actually be rising, but much of the apparent increase can be accounted for by the fact that we simply recognize it more often.

As for the correspondence between the rise in autism and the increase in the number of vaccinations, remember . . . just because one event preceded another, it doesn’t mean it caused it. No one has proven that vaccines cause autism, and in fact virtually all reliable evidence says that they don’t.

While there is evidence that genetics plays an important role in the development of autism, that doesn’t necessarily rule out the possibility that environmental factors could play a role too. But even if this is true, why would it have to be vaccines? Many things in our society were changing at the same time more vaccines were being developed, from the amount of fast foods and processed foods we eat, to the amount of television we watch, to the amounts of industrial pollution we’re exposed to, to other drugs and medicines we take, to chemicals in the clothes we wear and the homes we live in, to the amount of time we spend talking on cell phones — and that’s just a few. You could list just as many more.

The theory that vaccines cause autism has been extensively tested, and has come up short. Maybe the Institute of Medicine is right, and it’s time to devote more time and money looking into other, more promising, theories into the causes of autism.


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Feb 18 2015 09:21pm
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You can enlarge and bold a part of the answer, but it's the whole text that gives me unsure feeling.


Quote (sylvannos @ Feb 18 2015 11:06pm)
That information isn't going to be reliable because we would need a control group of people without vaccines. The chance of catching diseases is always going to be low when we have people providing herd immunity.

4 in 1,000,000 is really good odds of side effects.
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I don't believe that, there must be some reliable statistic as reliable as the 1/250,000.


Quote (sylvannos @ Feb 18 2015 11:06pm)


The guy who originally published the article on vaccines and autism was later found to be a fraud who made shit up in order to get himself known. His research on vaccines was completely botched and fabricated.

Then, Jenny McCarthy read a book on the derpshit research, thought it's what gave her son autism, then went on Oprah with her claims. Flash forward a few years, and people are still doubting vaccines based on the anecdotes of a former Playboy model who based her opinions on a faulty research paper.

There's no reason to think vaccines cause autism or are any more harmful than any other medicine.


A guy made a fraud article about vaccine and autism, that proves that vaccination does not give autism ? Come on....




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Feb 18 2015 09:33pm
Quote (2sexy4u @ Feb 18 2015 11:21pm)
You can enlarge and bold a part of the answer, but it's the whole text that gives me unsure feeling.



I don't believe that, there must be some reliable statistic as reliable as the 1/250,000.




A guy made a fraud article about vaccine and autism, that proves that vaccination does not give autism ? Come on....




No one can say that vaccinations do not cause autism, but there is no evidence to suggest it does in current medicine....I could say peanuts cause autism....and because you can't prove they don't that means it's viable?

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