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#21
Feb 18 2015 08:31am
Quote (Bazi @ Feb 18 2015 07:47am)
Beta blockers have killed people too

FDA should ban them


im done replying to messages insinuating that I'm suggesting people not vaccinate, as I clearly stated I believe people should vaccinate their children.


What I am saying is that the conerns about vaccinations are valid

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Feb 18 2015 08:36am
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I'm not anti science...evidence shows the harm caused by not vaccinating vs vaccinating is much higher....the science also shows there are some potentially deadly or debilitating side effects on rare cases from taking vaccines....

As I stated, I already did the math, and decided that every vaccine with the exception of chicken pox was warranted in my beliefs and accordingly vaccinated my daughter for them.

On EVERY single medication i've ever gotten I've had the potential harms given to me in writing, and by the pharmacist....for myself, for my wife, for my daughter...

Guess when I didn't have any of the potential harms provided to me...when I was vaccinating my daughter...they don't want to scare people into not taking the vaccine, so they figure it's ok to just not tell people the risks


No, it doesn't. 4 cases in a million is not a risk worth noting.

Those potential side effects on your medication are there because there is a tangible risk you may experience those side effects. 4 in a million is not a tangible risk.
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Feb 18 2015 08:37am
Quote (bitg_pj @ Feb 18 2015 09:31am)
im done replying to messages insinuating that I'm suggesting people not vaccinate, as I clearly stated I believe people should vaccinate their children.


What I am saying is that the conerns about vaccinations are valid


Concerns about beta blockers valid too

And walking across the street ofc
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Feb 18 2015 08:37am
Quote (bitg_pj @ 18 Feb 2015 09:31)
im done replying to messages insinuating that I'm suggesting people not vaccinate, as I clearly stated I believe people should vaccinate their children.


What I am saying is that the conerns about vaccinations are valid



no they aren't valid that's the point giving voice to the concerns like this is the equal to chicken littleing can't you see that? anytime you get a shot there is a stray risk but that's all you're talking about here Phil. There aren't two valid sides to this argument.
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#25
Feb 18 2015 09:43am
More people are hurt by Not being vaccinated and getting sick / spreading disease than by vaccines

therefore vaccines > not vaccines

even if vaccines do have some very very marginal risks
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Feb 18 2015 10:25am
Phil...safe means that there are minimal risks...not ZERO risk. There is a risk of an asteroid destroying your home...does that mean your home isn't safe?
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Feb 18 2015 11:29am
Quote (bitg_pj @ Feb 18 2015 12:43am)
As I stated, I already did the math, and decided that every vaccine with the exception of chicken pox was warranted in my beliefs and accordingly vaccinated my daughter for them.

On EVERY single medication i've ever gotten I've had the potential harms given to me in writing, and by the pharmacist....for myself, for my wife, for my daughter...

Guess when I didn't have any of the potential harms provided to me...when I was vaccinating my daughter...they don't want to scare people into not taking the vaccine, so they figure it's ok to just not tell people the risks


why not chicken pox?

afaik it could be serious in her senior years if not vaccinated while young

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Feb 18 2015 01:11pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 18 2015 12:29pm)
why not chicken pox?

afaik it could be serious in her senior years if not vaccinated while young


Yep

As per mayo clinic, a younger age of pox vaccination correlates with decreased incidence of shingles in the future.
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#29
Feb 18 2015 02:19pm
Quote (Nearin @ Feb 18 2015 11:43am)
More people are hurt by Not being vaccinated and getting sick / spreading disease than by vaccines

therefore vaccines > not vaccines

even if vaccines do have some very very marginal risks


Thanks for posting my opinion back to me lol
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Feb 18 2015 05:05pm
Quote (thundercock @ Feb 18 2015 08:25am)
Phil...safe means that there are minimal risks...not ZERO risk. There is a risk of an asteroid destroying your home...does that mean your home isn't safe?


According to NASA, there's around a 1 in 63,000 (0.001587301%) chance the TV135 1,480-foot-wide asteroid (quarter of a mile) will crash into Earth by 2032. It would hit with more force than Fat Man and Little Boy combined. Even a 200-foot-wide asteroid would be enough to level everything within a 5 mile radius of where it landed.

It's pretty telling on how far we've come in modern medicine when our vaccines have only a 1 in 250,000 chance of causing dangerous side effects...and that chance is lower than us being hit by an asteroid capable of wiping out New York.
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