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Feb 16 2015 11:45am
Quote (Santara @ Feb 16 2015 11:24am)
What exactly is falsely equivalent about some of the richest men in the world spending untold millions on politics?


Because it's the difference between ten million and hundreds of millions spent in an election cycle. They just aren't the same thing, there's more than an order of magnitude of difference.
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Feb 16 2015 01:35pm
Quote (Pollster @ Feb 16 2015 11:28am)
That's from MotherJones' day-after accounting, which is obviously far from a complete summary given the nature of filing deadlines. It was used to dispel that fantasy-land notion you mentioned earlier, not to be an accurate portrayal of the comprehensive funding advantage that Walker had. That's obviously not even available the day after an election (well, again, to people who understand elections).

Neither ignorance nor the echo-chamber is going to help get around Walker's massive financial advantage in the recall. As a presidential nominee his advantage in outside money wouldn't come close to approaching the disparity of the recall. He'd have the same advantage that Mitt Romney did over Obama among outside groups but that's about it. Any increase would probably just be the continuation of the trend already in place: Republicans are becoming increasingly dependent on big-money groups that don't have contribution limits.


You didn't dispel ANYTHING. The sources you used were all published within days of the election, mine was publish more than a year later as they were able to better quantify the funds spent. It showed Walker enjoyed a rough 5:3 spending advantage. What that spending advantage does not cover however, is that most voters were solid in their picks. The money wasn't changing much of anything. There were far fewer undecideds to be had. For all the left's bitching and pissing and moaning, the money didn't have much chance to make a difference in the first place.

Quote (Pollster @ Feb 16 2015 11:28am)
False equivalence bullshit isn't going to work here. Name-dropping George Soros a voluntary admission that you're in a bubble. He is in no way comparable to the Koch Brothers, or Sheldon Adelson, or the Crossroads Network. Even if you were to substitute in "Democracy Alliance," of which he is just a part, it would still be false equivalence. They aren't equal.


Fuck your bubble, you're in your own bubble.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 16 2015 11:45am)
Because it's the difference between ten million and hundreds of millions spent in an election cycle. They just aren't the same thing, there's more than an order of magnitude of difference.


Awww, your pussy hurts that the 35th richest man in the world is being outspent by the 24th ranked Kochs? And the difference isn't as big as you make it out to be. http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/09/opensecrets-battle-koch-brothers/

The Kochs demolish Soros in lobbying expenditures (expected in their line of work) and Soros obliterates the Kochs in funding 527s.

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Feb 16 2015 01:41pm
Soros is just a drop in the pond.

All this dirty shadow money needs to be out of elections. We really shouldn't have corruption written right into the structure. Democracy is supposed to be a competition of ideas. Now that we have all this money in election we are going nowhere except authoritarian capitalism.

Eventually the government will have no power over the corporations, and average citizens will have zero say in how power is distributed. The Bill of Rights will become a thing of the past when liberalism dies. People are already saying democracy is a thing of the past and some parties are even trying to eliminate the right to vote...it is happening.

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Feb 16 2015 03:06pm
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Soros is just a drop in the pond.

All this dirty shadow money needs to be out of elections. We really shouldn't have corruption written right into the structure. Democracy is supposed to be a competition of ideas. Now that we have all this money in election we are going nowhere except authoritarian capitalism.

Eventually the government will have no power over the corporations, and average citizens will have zero say in how power is distributed. The Bill of Rights will become a thing of the past when liberalism dies. People are already saying democracy is a thing of the past and some parties are even trying to eliminate the right to vote...it is happening.


Eventually the government will have absolute power over corporations, but it'll be run by corporation so it won't really matter. The big corporations will just use that power to suppress the little corporations until we have super-monopolies.

Both end up at despotic capitalism though.
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Feb 16 2015 03:56pm
Quote (Skinned @ Feb 16 2015 01:41pm)
Soros is just a drop in the pond.

All this dirty shadow money needs to be out of elections. We really shouldn't have corruption written right into the structure. Democracy is supposed to be a competition of ideas. Now that we have all this money in election we are going nowhere except authoritarian capitalism.

Eventually the government will have no power over the corporations, and average citizens will have zero say in how power is distributed. The Bill of Rights will become a thing of the past when liberalism dies. People are already saying democracy is a thing of the past and some parties are even trying to eliminate the right to vote...it is happening.


TIL tens of millions bankrolling the Democrat party is a drop in the pond for one person.

Can I borrow $100K? That's like pocket change, isn't it?
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Feb 16 2015 05:03pm
Quote (Santara @ Feb 16 2015 03:56pm)
TIL tens of millions bankrolling the Democrat party is a drop in the pond for one person.

Can I borrow $100K? That's like pocket change, isn't it?


Drop in the pond because there's an ocean from other sources. Soros is a big donor, but he's a drop compared to others, like the Koch's, and theres other groups who donate more still.
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Feb 16 2015 05:07pm
Quote (IceMage @ 12 Feb 2015 20:02)
This story really pisses me off. It's unbelievable, in this day and age, that hopeful Republican presidential candidates can't speak plainly about non-debatable issues of science. As Bobby Jindal said years ago, we need to stop being the party of stupid.

I get that some naive, old religious people may take issue with it... but I think it would be a net positive politically if Republicans would just speak the truth.

Thoughts PaRD? Let's not turn this into a liberal circle jerk.


Do you really think that they don't understand evolution? They have to be smart for their party to put money on their heads in running for election. Whether they are crazy or not is another matter.
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Feb 16 2015 05:13pm
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Drop in the pond because there's an ocean from other sources. Soros is a big donor, but he's a drop compared to others, like the Koch's, and theres other groups who donate more still.


Oh, you mean there isn't just a couple of sources of campaign money? You'd never know that the way you pillory the Kochs.
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Feb 16 2015 05:31pm
Quote (Santara @ 16 Feb 2015 18:13)
Oh, you mean there isn't just a couple of sources of campaign money? You'd never know that the way you pillory the Kochs.



The Kochs admitted that they will spend 900 million for the 2016 POITS will so how much dark money do you think there will be
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