Quote (Santara @ Oct 21 2014 05:37pm)

I do, and justly. Unlike in the public sector, a private sector relationship between a union and the employer operates under the bounds of economic realities like the employer's interest in maintaining uninterrupted production and limits on revenues to fund the union's demands. If the unions command too much in the way of wages and benefits, the company suffers competitively. Just look at the inexorable rise of Toyota over General Motors for a prime example. Toyota generally builds a better car, and they do it while selling it for less. The difference in labor costs to the respective corporations is roughly $1500 per car.

But what happens when the "company" is government funded by the taxpayers? Does the company go out of business if they pay the workers more than can be afforded? No. They raise taxes on the public and continue to operate under a flawed and uneconomic model.



This election? Not terribly likely. Would be even better to foster an environment that didn't compel companies to seek that route.

Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 21 2014 05:49pm)

while we're complaing about labor costs, let's keep in mind that the ceo of gm also made about 6 times that of toyota's

Quote (Santara @ Oct 21 2014 04:08pm)

...and in a perfect world where GM would have been allowed to bankrupt, like they SHOULD have, barring illegal government intervention, the CEO of GM should have been working for the CEO of Toyota.

Quote (RUSSiABANK @ Oct 20 2014 10:38pm)

yes, even the "fiscally conservative" are horribly corrupt and just the opposite. There is no political right remaining when it comes to finances in America.

Quote (Pollster @ Oct 21 2014 06:27pm)

I don't like tying the two things together because that's unnecessary. Walker isn't (hilariously) corrupt just because of what he believes or because he's a "fiscal conservative." There are plenty of incumbents, even governors, who have the exact same governing philosophy that Walker does but they didn't illegally coordinate with outside groups, construct the WEDC, and whatever else.

There's still a sizable chunk of people in office and the electorate who support those policies. True they can't reliably win national elections anymore, but they're still there.

Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 21 2014 10:49pm)

Is corruption such a bad thing? The public interest is the only good that should matter in governance.

Quote (bogie160 @ 22 Oct 2014 03:49)

Is corruption such a bad thing? The public interest is the only good that should matter in governance.

Quote (RUSSiABANK @ Oct 21 2014 09:21pm)

I know he's not corrupt because of what he believes. He's corrupt because he's a politician lmao.

Quote (Santara @ 21 Oct 2014 17:37)

I do, and justly. Unlike in the public sector, a private sector relationship between a union and the employer operates under the bounds of economic realities like the employer's interest in maintaining uninterrupted production and limits on revenues to fund the union's demands. If the unions command too much in the way of wages and benefits, the company suffers competitively. Just look at the inexorable rise of Toyota over General Motors for a prime example. Toyota generally builds a better car, and they do it while selling it for less. The difference in labor costs to the respective corporations is roughly $1500 per car.

But what happens when the "company" is government funded by the taxpayers? Does the company go out of business if they pay the workers more than can be afforded? No. They raise taxes on the public and continue to operate under a flawed and uneconomic model.



This election? Not terribly likely. Would be even better to foster an environment that didn't compel companies to seek that route.