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Jan 17 2017 05:19pm
Quote (Magicman657 @ Jan 17 2017 05:59pm)
The structure of argument is perfectly fine; the example he gave just happens to be a non-sequitur (ie, the conclusion does not follow from the premise). "All dogs have 4 legs" is not the same statement as "All animals with 4 legs are dogs", which is what you'd have to claim for the statement to be true.


No. It's contradictory to say it's a valid argument structure and a non sequitur, a non sequitur is by definition an invalid argument structure.
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Jan 17 2017 05:23pm
There is nothing wrong with making an argument in this form:

Premise
Proposition
Conclusion

A non-sequitur occurs when your conclusion is not supported by the premise. It doesn't mean that there's anything inherently wrong with the structure of a syllogism; it means that your specific argument isn't valid because you didn't follow the requisite logical rules.
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Jan 17 2017 06:46pm
Quote (Magicman657 @ Jan 17 2017 06:23pm)
There is nothing wrong with making an argument in this form:

Premise
Proposition
Conclusion

A non-sequitur occurs when your conclusion is not supported by the premise. It doesn't mean that there's anything inherently wrong with the structure of a syllogism; it means that your specific argument isn't valid because you didn't follow the requisite logical rules.


That is not an argument structure, that's just what an argument is (although it's technically just Premise+Premise+(any additional premises) = Conclusion... all premises and conclusions are propositions). Literally all arguments have that structure so to describe that as the argument's structure is redundant at best.

The structure of his argument is (in plain English):

P1: All A have X
P2: B has X.
C: Therefore, B is A.

This is an invalid argument form, as the conclusion does not follow from the premises.

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I'm gonna have to start listening to this guy.
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Quote (IceMage @ Feb 13 2017 04:29pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhjvAQ1JChQ


I'm gonna have to start listening to this guy.


I don't like that Chance went into such a boring direction after Acid Rap. I get that he's a devout Christian and is using his music as a platform for worship but the puritanical gospel sure is dull.

Still a talented artist though. Ultralight Beam verse is 🔥🔥🔥.

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I don't like that Chance went into such a boring direction after Acid Rap. I get that he's a devout Christian and is using his music as a platform for worship but the puritanical gospel sure is dull.

Still a talented artist though. Ultralight Beam verse is 🔥🔥🔥.


Ohhhh... had no idea that was him in ultralight beam.
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Feb 13 2017 05:51pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 13 2017 04:57pm)
Ohhhh... had no idea that was him in ultralight beam.


If you're interested in his music check out Acid Rap IMO.

As a Christian you might like his newer stuff though.

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Quote (IceMage @ Apr 2 2017 03:16pm)


Bllls a great speaker of popular opinion,
so its nice to see him destroyed when push comes to shove.

Religion is not the B+W reality atheists see.

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Quote (Magicman657 @ Jan 18 2017 01:23am)
There is nothing wrong with making an argument in this form:

Premise
Proposition
Conclusion

A non-sequitur occurs when your conclusion is not supported by the premise. It doesn't mean that there's anything inherently wrong with the structure of a syllogism; it means that your specific argument isn't valid because you didn't follow the requisite logical rules.


I feel like saying this often as well, but then I realize that this is PaRD. There is no point in asking a wheelchair patient for a salsa dance.
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